The material incentive to raise meat for slaughter is that people buy it. You remove that incentive by not buying it, fewer people will raise meat for slaughter.

Joseph Stalin himself described boycotts as a viable means of political activism.

  • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    we just have to not purchase” is weak as hell

    it's not the goal of veganism, it's the bare fucking minimum that even supposed leftists on this site can't seem to be bothered with

    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
      ·
      3 years ago

      yeah great good, i fucking agree. wild to me that the person making this thread apparently thinks the point of veganism is "harm reduction"

      like damn, im not even vegan, im a vegetarian, and i have fucking loftier goals than that

      • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        you might have lofty goals, but you can't even be bothered to do the bare minimum and still criticise others

          • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
            ·
            3 years ago

            You want a medal? You're vegetarian, you still pay people to CW

            spoiler

            kill and rape

            animals for you.

          • Kanna [she/her]
            ·
            3 years ago

            "I don't eat meat, I just pay to have them used up and killed so OTHER people can eat their meat"

            :CommiePOGGERS:

              • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
                ·
                3 years ago

                well then it shouldn't be too hard to stop, would it? You're an omni in the vegan comm, what did you expect?

                  • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
                    ·
                    3 years ago

                    you can't even be bothered to do the harm reduction you think is not enough and I'm supposed to take you and your opinion seriously?

                    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
                      ·
                      3 years ago

                      "you consume iphone and im supposed to take your opinion about capitalism seriously?" :very-smart:

                      • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
                        ·
                        3 years ago

                        using an iphone is necessary in this day and age, contrary to honey, and you know that. Now you're just debasing yourself with omni-level takes

                        • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
                          ·
                          3 years ago

                          :very-intelligent: k whatever bruh

                          im disengaging from this, since you literally have said you disregard anything and everything i have to say out of hand

              • Kanna [she/her]
                ·
                3 years ago

                Can I ask why you don't just go vegan then? You're like basically there lol

                • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
                  ·
                  3 years ago

                  because i dont see a reason not to consume honey

                  apiaries are good and pollinate loads of plants.
                  having bees is environmentally beneficial.

                  its not vegan, but its not morally reprehensible. yall disagree and i find the argument uncompelling

                  • Kanna [she/her]
                    ·
                    3 years ago

                    Here's an article that talks about it. I think it's not the best written article, particularly in the beginning lol, but there are good points I'll list below:

                    Factory-farmed honey bees are victims of unnatural living conditions, genetic manipulation and stressful transportation. Beekeepers force their hives to live in boxes to make it easy to transport them as well as to harvest the honey.

                    When a new queen is born, the hive will instinctively split. Since this causes a decline in honey production, beekeepers will often clip the new queen’s wings to prevent her from leaving.

                    Queens are artificially inseminated, either instrumentally or through the use of drones (who are then killed afterwards).

                    Large commercial operations sometimes take all the honey instead of leaving enough for the bees to get through the winter. The honey is then replaced with a cheap sugar substitute.

                    If their colony becomes infected with deadly parasites, beekeepers opt to burn the entire hive with the bees still inside rather than go to the trouble of relocating them first.

                    When thinking about it like this, it's hard to say it's fine or even morally grey.

                    Thoughts?

                    Btw - I see you disengaged talking to u/Lord_ofThe_FLIES, but haven't said the same to me. If you'd rather not talk to me either, that's fine, but this is a good faith question.

                    • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
                      ·
                      3 years ago

                      yeah absolutely large commercial honey farming is problematic as fuck

                      but small local apiaries exist, and are better for you anyways because they include antihistamines for the localized pollen...

                      basically its the same kind of thing as the dreaded

                      stugglesessionohgod

                      backyard chicken

                      thing, where people can, do, and will, form symbiotic rather than parasitic relationships with them.

                      like, i have built a number of apiaries over the years, and have never done any of the things listed there [aside from the hive being a box, but like... if the bees move out im not stuffing them back in lol. hasnt ever happened anyways]

                      • aph0t1c [des/pair,comrade/them]
                        ·
                        3 years ago

                        Animals (including invasive farmed honeybees) are not commodities for you to lust over their excretions, you vegetarian coward.

                      • Kanna [she/her]
                        ·
                        3 years ago

                        Right - someone can be a nice bee / chicken owner, but it doesn't change the fact that they're stealing something the animal needs for itself.

                        Is it as bad as factory farming?

                        No, but that's not really the point. Bees need their honey, chickens need their eggs. It also sets the precedent for others that it's okay to do and will just lead to large scale farming again.

                        • Chomsky [comrade/them]
                          ·
                          3 years ago

                          I actually was a vegetarian until about 5 years ago and I used to have chickens. They are basically pets and they actually didn't need the eggs at all, like they would lay them on my porch and just leave them. We let them set on eggs when they wanted and it all seemed pretty reasonable, but here is the catch, you let them set on eggs as is their nature, fine good, and the the eggs hatch and you get roosters. If you have two or more roosters they will mutliate and kill each other because of the necessarily unnatural conditions they have to live in in a northern climate. So we got to the point where we needed to kill them. This was about 12 years ago and I actually ate meat at the time. I took them out to the field to kill them and it was a gloomy spring morning and as I killed them all I had this crazy spiritual moment where their lives literally flashed before my eyes. I sort of broke down. I ate those chickens, but I neve ate meat again after that. (Ok, full disclosure, I ate pork momos in Nepal that I had order by accident. I felt bad for my white privilege of throwing out food in such a poor country, but I didn't get through them and got sick to my stomach. Suffice to say I was more careful ordering food after that.)