:geordi-no: Double slit results happen because there's no way to measure something without interacting with it, and any interaction with a massless particle is going to have a sizeable effect on its position and/or momentum
:geordi-yes: Double slit results happen because photons are just shy and don't like it when people look at them
I think measurement would still play a part though, 'cause even if hidden variables are at play, our methods of taking measurements are still limited to the QM equivalent of ramming cars into each other in order to find their position, momentum, etc., which are obviously going to have an effect on any hidden variables the may be at play.
Also, these comments are starting to get a bit meta, 'cause you're arguing for Hidden Variable Theory, meanwhile @Saint was arguing for Bell's Theorem which is supposed to be used to disprove the existence of hidden variables. So people are now arguing for contradictory QM theories under a meme about how no one understand QM lol.
I'm arguing against hidden variable, measurement problem is a way of explaining that there is a concrete, pre-determined state, but we can't tell what it is because our measurements affect the result.
We can account for the measurement problem by doing lots of tests and statistical analysis.
Here's an explanation of how that's tested and the implications: https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/experiments/EPR/
:geordi-no: Double slit results happen because there's no way to measure something without interacting with it, and any interaction with a massless particle is going to have a sizeable effect on its position and/or momentum
:geordi-yes: Double slit results happen because photons are just shy and don't like it when people look at them
RE: that first one; from what I understand it's not a measurement problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden-variable_theory
The best explanation I've heard was some stuff I didn't understand about the Fourier transform.
I think measurement would still play a part though, 'cause even if hidden variables are at play, our methods of taking measurements are still limited to the QM equivalent of ramming cars into each other in order to find their position, momentum, etc., which are obviously going to have an effect on any hidden variables the may be at play.
Also, these comments are starting to get a bit meta, 'cause you're arguing for Hidden Variable Theory, meanwhile @Saint was arguing for Bell's Theorem which is supposed to be used to disprove the existence of hidden variables. So people are now arguing for contradictory QM theories under a meme about how no one understand QM lol.
I'm arguing against hidden variable, measurement problem is a way of explaining that there is a concrete, pre-determined state, but we can't tell what it is because our measurements affect the result.
We can account for the measurement problem by doing lots of tests and statistical analysis.
Here's an explanation of how that's tested and the implications: https://www.informationphilosopher.com/solutions/experiments/EPR/
Ah, ok. Your original comment didn't make that clear (to me at least).
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We're gonna find out where the truck is by dropping 3 tons of boulders in its path