i mean a lot of it has to do with consent. my bf is a smart guy and he rams his dick into my (clothed) butt all the time and grunts like a cave man. i think its funny. he also grabs at me a lot while we're one on one. obviously if you do that to anyone else thats creepy. i think youre probably fine because youre so worried about this, tbh a lot of men do not introspect at all about this and it makes them do awful things.
to me, objectification has a lot to do with how people treat you. people can be attracted to you and be polite, or maybe nervous around you, and thats fine! but when they dont think about 'oh hey maybe shes not into being called sugar tits by a random guy' thats when it becomes a problem. a lot of this has to do with personal boundaries, and i know that probably wont help someone who is super anxious about it, because there simply isnt one standard. if youre interested in someone you need to learn their standard.
i used to be in your boat a lot tbh. but i became way more loose about it and whenever i was on a date with someone or interested with someone id just ask them if theyd be down to cuddle and talk about shit more personally. sometimes that worked, sometimes it didnt, but it seems to have worked well! though i am a woman so maybe most people like that from a woman, idk
I am an anti-natalist myself, and I tell you this wholeheartedly
Log off and have sex copelord, anti-natalism has no substantive base when unmoored from leftist politics so you stand on nothing when you shit your pants on this site.
I had sex a couple months ago. Felt nice but realized it was essentially me using someone else as a masturbation aid, which is really fucked up.
Also unless you can ensure that both parties enjoyed a sexually encounter equally it’s an unequal exchange which is unethical under Marxism, and most sexually encounters are very much not equally pleasant for no the parties, especially hetero ones.
I don't like if this is a bit because it feels like it's mocking ace people which isn't cool and if it's not a bit I feel bad because I'm mocking an ace person which isn't cool
Plus, this seems like only the way YOU look at sex. Lots of people experience it differently and some can’t even get off without comprehending that the other person is, well, a person.
It looks like they have a premise where qualia & fundamental biological desires both have use, labor, and exchange values. Rather than just, you know, being things one can experience with your limited time on Earth and enjoy them for their intrinsic worth as a mode of Qualia.
Nah, much better to voluntary debride yourself of parts of your own ego, find it impossible and be haunted forevermore. This is amazingly alienated and doompilled shit.
This is massively internalized self hate, or a bit that is indistinguishable from it.
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Only way it wouldn’t be is if they’re going around having sex with people who are reluctant
It makes sense under their fucked up logic if they as a sexual being hold no worth. Under that framework any sex they might have is done under some form of systemic coercion or done from a point of unequally informed sex exchangers.
I’m not jealous. I’ve had plenty of sex in my life but stopped because I realized how exploitative it was even when 100% consensual. Really you should do some self crit and ask yourself why you value physical gratification over not objectifying humans.
Yes. All sex is objectification. Sure people can consent to it but humans have fucked up psychological reasons why they consent to things that are bad for them all time that still leave them felling miserable and used. Just because something is consensual doesn’t mean it’s healthy or ethical.
The fact that you took the time to type all of this bullshit out really proves that whether you are being serious or ironic you should really log the fuck off and touch grass.
i mean a lot of it has to do with consent. my bf is a smart guy and he rams his dick into my (clothed) butt all the time and grunts like a cave man. i think its funny. he also grabs at me a lot while we're one on one. obviously if you do that to anyone else thats creepy. i think youre probably fine because youre so worried about this, tbh a lot of men do not introspect at all about this and it makes them do awful things.
to me, objectification has a lot to do with how people treat you. people can be attracted to you and be polite, or maybe nervous around you, and thats fine! but when they dont think about 'oh hey maybe shes not into being called sugar tits by a random guy' thats when it becomes a problem. a lot of this has to do with personal boundaries, and i know that probably wont help someone who is super anxious about it, because there simply isnt one standard. if youre interested in someone you need to learn their standard.
i used to be in your boat a lot tbh. but i became way more loose about it and whenever i was on a date with someone or interested with someone id just ask them if theyd be down to cuddle and talk about shit more personally. sometimes that worked, sometimes it didnt, but it seems to have worked well! though i am a woman so maybe most people like that from a woman, idk
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lmao this is so whack bring back downvotes :downbear:
What’s the opposite of the spray bottle emoji
You’re trying to make me objectify another human (aka being horny)?
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Okay thanks for trying to tempt me into using another person for physical gratification you pervert
I am an anti-natalist myself, and I tell you this wholeheartedly
Log off and have sex copelord, anti-natalism has no substantive base when unmoored from leftist politics so you stand on nothing when you shit your pants on this site.
I had sex a couple months ago. Felt nice but realized it was essentially me using someone else as a masturbation aid, which is really fucked up.
Also unless you can ensure that both parties enjoyed a sexually encounter equally it’s an unequal exchange which is unethical under Marxism, and most sexually encounters are very much not equally pleasant for no the parties, especially hetero ones.
I don't like if this is a bit because it feels like it's mocking ace people which isn't cool and if it's not a bit I feel bad because I'm mocking an ace person which isn't cool
I don’t consider myself ace. I enjoy sex I just think it’s morally wrong. Asexuality has nothing to do with it.
Ok cool, we can make fun of you then :big-cool:
I’m used to it, knock yourselves out
folks, is it exploitation to have a little more fun during a group activity than the other person?
It is when you’re utilizing that persons body to get your rocks off
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Are we doing moral relativity here?
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When u try to materialism so hard you commodify sex. Good job 👍
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It looks like they have a premise where qualia & fundamental biological desires both have use, labor, and exchange values. Rather than just, you know, being things one can experience with your limited time on Earth and enjoy them for their intrinsic worth as a mode of Qualia.
Nah, much better to voluntary debride yourself of parts of your own ego, find it impossible and be haunted forevermore. This is amazingly alienated and doompilled shit.
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Nah, I'm high right now.
This is massively internalized self hate, or a bit that is indistinguishable from it.
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It makes sense under their fucked up logic if they as a sexual being hold no worth. Under that framework any sex they might have is done under some form of systemic coercion or done from a point of unequally informed sex exchangers.
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I’m not jealous. I’ve had plenty of sex in my life but stopped because I realized how exploitative it was even when 100% consensual. Really you should do some self crit and ask yourself why you value physical gratification over not objectifying humans.
Congratulations on your newfound dedication to your volcel pledge
Thanks bro!
Are you serious?
Yes. All sex is objectification. Sure people can consent to it but humans have fucked up psychological reasons why they consent to things that are bad for them all time that still leave them felling miserable and used. Just because something is consensual doesn’t mean it’s healthy or ethical.
The fact that you took the time to type all of this bullshit out really proves that whether you are being serious or ironic you should really log the fuck off and touch grass.
I would hope as a leftist you’d agree that there’s some truth to this statement even if you don’t agree with how I’m deploying it in this argument.
my bf is the same as an inhuman capitalist system :very-intelligent:
You and your bf live within that system and are affected by it in way you don’t even realize
Sup mods I'm confused? Did I break any of the rules by flaming this guy?
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Shit my apologies, sorry for the trouble and having to go through the rules for my idiotic, lazy ass.
Thank you for your service 07
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I’ve had sex. I just came to the realization it was wrong.
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I mean I enjoyed it an my partner at the time reported enjoying it too. I just came to the philosophical conclusion it was wrong.
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Idgaf bro leave us tf alone and get your shit together in Afghanistan or sthing.
Did you just tell me to move to Afghanistan?
Edit: also I went and touched some grass and it was nice I guess
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I'll be here all week
Lmao
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