I've seen this several times now; they're treating the word-generating parrot like fucking Shalmaneser in Stand on Zanzibar, you literally see redd*tors posting comments that are basically "I asked ChatGPT what it thought about it and here...".
“You’re mocking people who think AI is sentient, but here’s a made up story where it really is sentient! You’d look really stupid if you continued to deny the sentience of AI in this scenario I just made up. Stories cannot be anything but literal. Blade Runner is a literal prediction of the future.”
Wow, if things were different they would be different!
How does it feel to have so many rent free accommodations? It really is surprising the amount of reactionary bullshit that crops up here. Currently stuck in an argument with someone claiming that 1984 is actually a masterful thesis on propaganda and isn’t actually anti-USSR. There’s more pretzels in here than a bakery!
Movies could open with scrolling text that just tells you what the point of the film is and techbros would still think it’s about how LLMs are sentient.
They really are just evangelicals with a different coat of paint. Once the grift dies and President Only 99% Hitler takes office, I wonder how many of them will eagerly join the firing squads. Pseudoreligious delirium is a core part of fascist ideology after all, and these people seem to have a desperate need for it.
look, some of these posters are being maybe overly confrontational about this, but that blade runner point was basically entirely irrelevant. for one, the replicants in blade runner are mostly biological, more akin to edited clones than an algorithmic learning machine, definitely not a computer, and certainly nothing like a 2023 LLM chatbot. obviously a replicant could be conscious and sentient, as they are similar structurally to humans which are our one source of even somewhat reliable reports of subjectivity. but the film doesn't really interrogate any of the fundamental technical philosophical ideas like subjectivity and identity, or whether Qualia are intrinsic or relational, it just assumes answers to those questions and lets the drama play out. another example, with Data in star trek, is not relevant either, because Data is made with unknown and fictitious technologies and scientific theories, which could hypothetically account for and replicate consciousness instead of simply information processing. but the data example did reference the argument that, to paraphrase, goes 'if a machine was outwardly identical in behavior to humans, this is evidence that they are conscious or capable of subjectivity', when in actuality we can not necessarily know this from outward behavior, asssuming that it is hypothetically possible for all of our behaviors to be accounted for with information processing alone (which is the reductionist physicalist take being criticised by me and some users here). just like a statistical model of language use will not reveal (or create) the definitions of the terms of the language analyzed, so too would a statistical model of human behavior not reveal (or create) the subjective experience of that behavior. to use another analogy, if i make a fully detailed model of a bladder on a computer, it will never produce real piss on my desk, no matter how detailed my algorithm may be. in the same way, if i make a fully detailed model of a brain on a computer, it will not produce real subjectivity. we can use computers to perform solely information processing tasks, we cannot use them to create subjectivity any more than we can use them to create piss.
Look, I like sapient robots, they're cool, they're some of my favorite characters, but they are not and almost certainly never will be anything but science fiction.
I've seen this several times now; they're treating the word-generating parrot like fucking Shalmaneser in Stand on Zanzibar, you literally see redd*tors posting comments that are basically "I asked ChatGPT what it thought about it and here...".
Like it has remotely any value. It's pathetic.
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One of them also cited fucking Blade Runner.
“You’re mocking people who think AI is sentient, but here’s a made up story where it really is sentient! You’d look really stupid if you continued to deny the sentience of AI in this scenario I just made up. Stories cannot be anything but literal. Blade Runner is a literal prediction of the future.”
Wow, if things were different they would be different!
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Wow I’m mad, I’m going to read your username aloud to my partner. I’m sure they won’t be weirded out by that at all and blankly stare at me.
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How does it feel to have so many rent free accommodations? It really is surprising the amount of reactionary bullshit that crops up here. Currently stuck in an argument with someone claiming that 1984 is actually a masterful thesis on propaganda and isn’t actually anti-USSR. There’s more pretzels in here than a bakery!
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Movies could open with scrolling text that just tells you what the point of the film is and techbros would still think it’s about how LLMs are sentient.
They really are just evangelicals with a different coat of paint. Once the grift dies and President Only 99% Hitler takes office, I wonder how many of them will eagerly join the firing squads. Pseudoreligious delirium is a core part of fascist ideology after all, and these people seem to have a desperate need for it.
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It is the same computer toucher (me). Talk to me if you want to talk to me, instead of running back to gossip with your friends.
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You're being an asshole, not a comrade.
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you say wizards aren't real and yet merlin made king arthur king
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look, some of these posters are being maybe overly confrontational about this, but that blade runner point was basically entirely irrelevant. for one, the replicants in blade runner are mostly biological, more akin to edited clones than an algorithmic learning machine, definitely not a computer, and certainly nothing like a 2023 LLM chatbot. obviously a replicant could be conscious and sentient, as they are similar structurally to humans which are our one source of even somewhat reliable reports of subjectivity. but the film doesn't really interrogate any of the fundamental technical philosophical ideas like subjectivity and identity, or whether Qualia are intrinsic or relational, it just assumes answers to those questions and lets the drama play out. another example, with Data in star trek, is not relevant either, because Data is made with unknown and fictitious technologies and scientific theories, which could hypothetically account for and replicate consciousness instead of simply information processing. but the data example did reference the argument that, to paraphrase, goes 'if a machine was outwardly identical in behavior to humans, this is evidence that they are conscious or capable of subjectivity', when in actuality we can not necessarily know this from outward behavior, asssuming that it is hypothetically possible for all of our behaviors to be accounted for with information processing alone (which is the reductionist physicalist take being criticised by me and some users here). just like a statistical model of language use will not reveal (or create) the definitions of the terms of the language analyzed, so too would a statistical model of human behavior not reveal (or create) the subjective experience of that behavior. to use another analogy, if i make a fully detailed model of a bladder on a computer, it will never produce real piss on my desk, no matter how detailed my algorithm may be. in the same way, if i make a fully detailed model of a brain on a computer, it will not produce real subjectivity. we can use computers to perform solely information processing tasks, we cannot use them to create subjectivity any more than we can use them to create piss.
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Look, I like sapient robots, they're cool, they're some of my favorite characters, but they are not and almost certainly never will be anything but science fiction.
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They think the people who want to hear from ChatGPT don't know how to copy paste a post title on their own.