based or cringe? One one hand human right activists in these countries are using Twitter to create awareness about the local isseus. On the other hand, CIA also uses it to manufacture consent to whatever plans they got

  • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Are you saying that banning social media removes the power of proles to influence the masses, or are you saying that social media itself (by being an imperialist mouthpiece) removes the power of proles to influence the masses?

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      I'm saying that social media is the modern newspaper except it is audience controlled to an extent. In essence, it is a newspaper that is prole created.

      That's not 100% true of course because the site admins control content via algorithms and rules. But it still places massively more power in the hands of proles than the traditional newspaper where the editor has 100% of the power over content. They still have a lot of power (especially if you really want to flex and shape the narrative), but not 100%.

      So with that understanding of it, the removal of social media removes power from the proles.

      (especially if you really want to flex and shape the narrative)

      I should clarify this part. If you run a subreddit or facebook group or any community for example, you can act rather ruthlessly and do INCREDIBLE work shaping that community into literally anything you want it to be. I have watched first hand 3 communities now get taken over by communists who understand this "it's a newspaper and we're the editors" concept. Those communities went from liberal to full-tilt unfiltered communism in weeks with almost no drop in overall traffic and activity. The shift was largely accepted as long as the mod team worked hard at ruthlessly crushing liberal opposition and played it the right way. So yes there's a huge amount of power that lies on the admin and moderator side on social media but in the vast majority of spaces it is not being flexed that way because so many truly do not understand what social media is in this kind of way. I do not think many people even among the social media crowd have figured this out or written about it either. My background is in marketing and community management so I'm fairly up to date in the field.

      • SerLava [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        My background is in marketing and community management so I’m fairly up to date in the field.

        A bit of an aside, but do you have any particular or immediate reaction to the words "we're launching a new community" ?

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          You can't launch a community. :marx-joker:

          • SerLava [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Excellent, that's exactly what I was looking for

      • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        mod team worked hard at ruthlessly crushing liberal opposition and played it the right way.

        Wait, how was this possible if the liberal mods were still there?

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          Most mod teams on reddit operate on consensus driven by internal discussions in moderator discords. If the communists in the modteam become the consensus the liberals get pushed out.

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              3 years ago

              Usually because libs aren't selecting moderators ideologically or because a person who used to be a lib becomes a communist. Internal fighting occurs and the communists are usually the correct side in that kind of shit.

              On top of this, in reddit modteams the person who puts the most work in becomes the most influential in the team and this is often the communists.

              There's also the redder over time effect to consider. Any space with communists in it inevitably turns everyone around them redder over time. It only takes one.

              • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                Could this happen on the big news subs? Are those too closely monitored by admins and ideological fascists?

                There’s also the redder over time effect to consider. Any space with communists in it inevitably turns everyone around them redder over time. It only takes one.

                Heh, I'm reminded of the old r/cth. Didn't even know how it happened exactly.

                • Dirtbag [they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  right? I started off as a fuckin obama lib, what the fuck.

                  • TeethOrCoat [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Communists are just really, really good at arguing apparently. People moan about the struggle sessions, but those were pretty damn informative.

                • Awoo [she/her]
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                  3 years ago

                  It absolutely could and there already are communists in some of those teams. The problem you have however is that the modteams themselves are absolutely enormous. The larger the team the harder it is to gain communist consensus. The smaller the team the easier it is to gain communist consensus through mod team expansions or flipping existing mods.