Thinking about the many, many conservatives who thought Starship Troopers was a good, fun romp about killing evil aliens, think we're supposed to agree with the racist rants in the Sopranos, consider Gordon Gekko a role model, etc.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I haven't thought about it much, but I'll try to spitball. A bulk of conservative people in the USA have been fooled away from their own class interests and so they have an adopted worldview and then figure out the facts to support it later, facts that are often malleable or completely fictional. I guess when they watch satire they only see the aspects of it that seem to support their worldview and then throw out the rest. They're probably able to do this with all media unless it blatantly, obviously has something they don't like, like a gay protagonist or explicitly clear endorsements of left wing stuff.

    I could also just explain it as conservatives usually don't hold their convictions very strongly except certain core things (LGBTQ bad, white people good, etc). It's usually a contradictory mess of impulses and vague generalizations they can easily swap out for something else or just lie about, because it's my stance that conservatives are either wealthy and deliberately generating a nonsense ideology to fool people, or they're working class and have had their brain smoothed out by that nonsense ideology.

    • duderium [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think that there are conservative workers. There are workers who are forced to work because they don’t have enough capital to live on, and this fact alone can turn them into fascists, but I feel like someone renting a tiny apartment without a car working at McDonald’s is probably not going to be conservative. Point being, their class interests are not confused. Typically the petite bourgeois identifies with the bourgeoisie rather than the proletariat, although there are obvious exceptions (like me).

      I should also clarify that I mean economic conservative workers, even if the distinction between social and economic political beliefs is sexist and racist. You can have socially conservative economically leftwing workers (as are apparently common throughout the global south), but economically rightwing workers (known as libertarians in the USA) seem incredibly rare to me. In my experience they’re almost always disgusting white boomers who own fifty different rats’ nests they call “houses” which they rent at the most extortionate rates they can get away with. So in other words, they’re petite bourgeois.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        By conservative workers I don't mean someone necessarily possessing a coherent worldview or economic framework, but rather, an everyday person who aesthetically presents as conservative in regards to their consumer habits and media preference, since that's about as far as most people go with their political ideology here. Yes, someone with some kind of working class individual with a structured right wing outlook is rare. Having a structured outlook is rare in general.

        You also bring up a good point about the petite bourgeoisie. Working class conservative folk often identify their own interests as that of the petite bourgeoisie, hence their frequent vocal admiration of small businesses. (just the owners of small businesses though)

        • duderium [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          an everyday person who aesthetically presents as conservative in regards to their consumer habits and media preference, since that’s about as far as most people go with their political ideology here. Yes, someone with some kind of working class individual with a structured right wing outlook is rare. Having a structured outlook is rare in general.

          Good insight. To be an incoherent normie (an aesthetic conservative) basically upholds white supremacy, capitalism, imperialism, etc.

      • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        There are definitely conservative workers. Think about the oil and gas workers, sand and gravel workers, construction workers, etc.

        • duderium [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I think the labor hierarchy takes care of this. We Marxists always have a workaround for everything. Basically, those kinds of workers typically get paid pretty well, and if they're hardcore bourgeois they begin building their own businesses / properties as quickly as possible so they don't have to work anymore.