finally xi has said something good about palestine
Death to America
if you're equating China and "Israel", please educate yourself
Brits are truly the scum of the earth. That doctoring went through an entire approval process where not a single person questioned it.
Brits are truly the scum of the earth.
You could have just left it at that
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Funny, how only the International Community™ are the only ones who condemn China about Xinjiang while Muslim countries support China. If China were really genociding Muslims, wouldn't Muslim countries care a bit more about what's going on?
Obviously China bought all those muslims! Brown people can not form their own opinions!11111
I still don't get it (forgive me for being dense)
- US supports the genocide of Palestine
- China supports the genocide of Uighurs
Is this really not a case of the Pot calling the kettle black?
I feel like I'm being baited into posting links, so I won't - but on duckduckduckgo schreib "!w Xianjiang Int* ca*ps"
Wikipedia tends to be a good source of information.
Wikipedia tends to be a good source of information.
I've found one part of the problem
It's not about baiting to post a link, it's about not being able to prove a negative.You made an (outrageous) claim and you need to back it up with a source. (Most of us actually tried to find a credible source on this topic but couldn't find one. It always boils down to a Zenz or ASPI or another defense Industry sponsored piece)
Wikipedia tends to be a good source of information.
It is a decidedly bad source of information on enemies of the State Department.
Also, just as an ESL thing, it looks like you slipped back into German there with "schreib" instead of "write" or "type"
Strange cause I don't see any evidence of a genocide...kinda hard to hide in this day and age of technology. Or are you just repeating what the Western media says?
kinda hard to hide in this day and age of technology.
This is the bit that confuses me. Before October people could say that they've weighed up the evidence and you can at least logically see how they get to 'genocide' based on the evidence they've deemed 'credible'.
But now? Now there's a real genocide happening right in front of us. We're seeing what a real genocide looks like, and we're seeing how hard it is to hide. How the fuck are there people who still think there's one happening in Xinjiang?
I used to think that the one sliver of silver lining that was coming out of Palestine was that Western Governments and Private Media had destroyed their credibility by blatantly backing Israel and spinning the coverage. But nope. The West is hopeless with Sinophobia: either unaware of how bad they have it, or pretending they don't.
Unfortunately there are members of the Palestinian diaspora I know claiming that Xinjiang is part of the globalized war on Muslims. I'm choosing to not engage with them on this out of respect for the moment, but at some point its gonna need to be addressed how they are parroting propaganda from the very same mouthpieces that are manufacturing consent for their own genocide happening right now in front of us.
Well yes, but also a colleague of mine is from there. He had to fight tooth and nail to get his family out and he told be often of the horrors faced by his people.
I also dated a Beijing girl for a year and she was very much of the opinion that nothing was wrong, but she was incredibly dense about a lot of things to the point that I no lover trusted her opinion.
If there's a genocide going on you can actually provide numbers like population loss and displacement. It would be EXTREMELY HARD to cover all of this up. Look at Israel, where an actual genocide is taking place. You're telling me that China is doing the same thing and not only does no one know about it but Muslim leaders that actually visited Xinjiang approved of China's actions, all of those people are wrong? Sounds like your "colleague" is a liar.
I also dated a Beijing girl for a year and she was very much of the opinion that nothing was wrong, but she was incredibly dense about a lot of things to the point that I no lover trusted her opinion.
That's cause nothing was wrong, and you're a chauvinist. Why is her opinion any less valuable than your colleague's? She fucking lives there dude
So in summary: you trust what the man has to say and don't trust what the woman has to say.
I also dated a Beijing girl for a year and she was very much of the opinion that nothing was wrong, but she was incredibly dense about a lot of things to the point that I no lover trusted her opinion.
"I dated a girl from China who I don't respect so the opposite of what she says must be true" is not the slam dunk argument you seem to think it is.
Are you not parroting the Western party line? Idk, I think this is a situation of glass houses and stones wrt your criticism of your ex.
Remember also that a big aspect of colonizer guilt, is accusing your enemies of that which you are guilty of (the west accusing China of being anti-muslim, accusing the USSR of anti-semitism, etc) This is why average USonians can't accept the idea that other countries haven't committed genocide, and are not as evil as theirs is, and default to a "all countries bad".
Nope. Muslim countries are telling you that a genocide isn't happening. So why do you believe Adrian Zenz (the source of these claims, a white supremacist christian evangelical), and the western countries who have been bombing Muslim countries for decades, and the US who is in the middle of a trade war with China?
Could I get a mirror of this? Reddit media links are totally broken for me and always redirect to this one post
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That would be a great point, except that the official line from both Aljazeera and TRT say otherwise:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/8/uighurs-timeline
https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/china-s-unease-over-t%C3%BCrkiye-s-support-for-uighurs-has-hurt-ties-ankara-63990
An absolute bombshell of an article on Xinjiang from Neue Zürcher Zeitung
First of all the article is written by probably the 2 most highly respected German sinologists: Thomas Heberer, a senior professor of Chinese politics and society at the University of Duisburg-Essen and Helwig Schmidt-Glintzer, a senior professor of Chinese studies and the director of the China Centrum Tübingen (CCT).
They write that even though "the travel group could not ascertain general discrimination against the Uighur language and culture, in Xinjiang, as in all areas of ethnic minorities with their language and script, the main language of instruction in schools from secondary level is Mandarin. The native language is always offered as a subject in compulsory schooling."
Their conclusion: "If the human rights situation continues to normalize demonstrably, the EU should initiate dialogue and reconsider the sanctions imposed on China due to Xinjiang."
Also: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
And if there are any genocides going on, things like this wouldn't even happen: Xinjiang defies Western curbs as foreign trade hits record high, surges by 47%
Alright! Thanks for this, I will check these out and get back to you, likely with follow up questions
Media companies and individual articles don't necessarily represent their entire countries, and these countries are not monoliths of opinion. Qatar for example voted multiple times against considering this a genocide, most recently in 2022 by voting to block a US initiative in the UNHRC trying to open up a debate about this.
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Again, it's only the white colonizer countries, who have been bombing Muslims for decades, that are trying to accuse their enemies of their own crimes. Why do you believe them?
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