I believe communists and every well educated person should know the history of all religions. It will give a new perspective on human lives and cultures. Did you know that all Abrahamic religions share the same ideology as Zoroastrianism of ancient persia. Also, Islamic rituals are pretty much similar to Judaism where as Islamic beliefs about Jesus, just a prophet originated from persecuted West Asian Christians.
Christianity in the original sense I mean in the Nicene creed where trinity was approved where 1 god is represented as father, son and the holy spirit.
That is not what the Nicene Creed says at all. It quite literally states that Christ is “begotten of God”, meaning that they are district separate entities in regards to the Father and Holy Spirit.
Again on top of being wrong, that is the still only interpretation and creed of a single sect of the Catholic Church. There have been many schisms over this interpretation and it is in no ways “canon” to Christianity, it is just the beliefs of a group of priests 300 years after the death of Christ and beginning of Christianity.
In fact, there is nothing in the Bible that states that Christ is “God the Son”, which was later hypothesized and added after the fact by Christian theology. The Trinity in itself is also an interpretation, not hard and fast canon.
Why would you ever use chatgpt to try and argue for you 😭😂 do you realize how comically bad a lot of the information it just said is??? I kid you not, it just pulled several of those facts, quotes, and interpretations out of its ass lmao.
You’ve got to be kidding me 😂 that's before I even get to you just immediately insulting people for just pointing out that you’re saying things that are blatantly false.
Do you even know what the word narcissistic means? Or are all your comments just chatgpt fighting your battles for you?
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
It’s native to Europe yes, but that disregards the hundreds of millions of people they are orthodox Christians in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Central Europe. Along with the many many smaller sects that Catholicism attempted to destroy.
No it doesn't. My point is just that it's wrong to characterize trinitarianism as some rare American creed when most Christians in Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Ireland, Austria, and Poland subscribe to the idea. According to Pew research, Catholics make up around 50% of all Christians, so although it is wrong to say all Christians believe in the Trinity, it's just as wrong to suggest very few Christians recognize the Trinity.
Ah, you meant about the trinity, my bad. Just to be clear, that wasn’t what we’re discussing though, he’s arguing for the reformationist interpretation of Jesus being part of the Father himself, not them both being God.
heaven and hell , judgement day , the concept of evil /satan , the concept of messiah or prophet . Early Judaism was polytheists and it became monotheistic later on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z30Z5cOR5BA&t=851s
would that be early judaism tho? or the native canaanite religion.
the way i understand it, some failsons in the capital got super into monotheism somehow, and spent a lot of time trying to get their proto-jewish peasants to stop worshipping the many old gods. and that was the start of judaism.
native canaanites were at war with the promised people and then displaced or idk , but the ancient jewish gods were multiple it seems .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
iirc they are a tribe of Canaanites and eventually win out. There is a theory that they practiced Monolatry, the worship of a singular god, but without denying the existence of other deities. The Dead Sea Scrolls mention many sons of Elohim and make mention to the gods of other nations, which are defeated by El.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kpkp2vxX3I
Jews don't necessarily believe in hell, and the closest thing they have to it is more like the sumerian or Greek afterlife than the hell modern Christians imagine. Prophets are also more common than you think, occurring in Etruscan and African cultures frequently. Satan is not big in judaism, far more a Christian thing. There are some similarities and it's probably ideas were exchanged between the two faiths towards their founding, but you can't say they just share ideology
A majority of Christian sects also reject a firm notion of Hell. Most view purgatory and salvation as the path that the soul takes.
Hell is simply where Satan resides, not some infinite torture chamber. Satan also has no control over Hell as Jesus willingly goes there and after a time, yoinks all the souls there up to Heaven without a problem during the ascension.
It kind of goes against the entire notion of indiscriminate forgiveness and salvation if you just got cast into hell and got stuck there.
The truth is that hell was never a domain of Satan nor was it a torture chamber. Hell is actually a prison to destroy the souls of unbelievers through fire. Also, Yahweh had shown mercy when he offer people a chance to repent after the crucification of Jesus.
The first rule of the ten commandments of the Bible did implied the polytheism with the claim that Yahweh is a jealous God and that no one should worship other gods.
Bringing up religion in Lemmygrad is like bringing up veganism on Hexbear, never turns out pretty
I believe communists and every well educated person should know the history of all religions. It will give a new perspective on human lives and cultures. Did you know that all Abrahamic religions share the same ideology as Zoroastrianism of ancient persia. Also, Islamic rituals are pretty much similar to Judaism where as Islamic beliefs about Jesus, just a prophet originated from persecuted West Asian Christians.
Yeah, I know that I kinda live in a Muslim country
I didn't know until 2 weeks ago that Christians has 3 in 1 god and Islam believes in Tawheed. It was always confusing to me.
That’s very reductive, Christianity doesn’t dictate a 3 in 1 God. Only certain sects believe in that.
Christianity in the original sense I mean in the Nicene creed where trinity was approved where 1 god is represented as father, son and the holy spirit.
That is not what the Nicene Creed says at all. It quite literally states that Christ is “begotten of God”, meaning that they are district separate entities in regards to the Father and Holy Spirit.
Again on top of being wrong, that is the still only interpretation and creed of a single sect of the Catholic Church. There have been many schisms over this interpretation and it is in no ways “canon” to Christianity, it is just the beliefs of a group of priests 300 years after the death of Christ and beginning of Christianity.
In fact, there is nothing in the Bible that states that Christ is “God the Son”, which was later hypothesized and added after the fact by Christian theology. The Trinity in itself is also an interpretation, not hard and fast canon.
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Why would you ever use chatgpt to try and argue for you 😭😂 do you realize how comically bad a lot of the information it just said is??? I kid you not, it just pulled several of those facts, quotes, and interpretations out of its ass lmao.
You’ve got to be kidding me 😂 that's before I even get to you just immediately insulting people for just pointing out that you’re saying things that are blatantly false.
Do you even know what the word narcissistic means? Or are all your comments just chatgpt fighting your battles for you?
I will politely ask you not comment on my any post. This will be my last reply to your comment
https://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe
I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.
https://www.bibleref.com/John/10/John-10-30.html#:~:text=Jesus%20uses%20the%20%22neuter%22%20form,partial%20explanation%20of%20the%20Trinity.
I’ll comment where I please, this is a public forum. Who are you to say where someone can post? You’ve been here for 4 days.
Also nice random copy and paste, that is entirely unrelated to what we are talking about, did you even read what you posted?
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Catholicism is large and European
It’s native to Europe yes, but that disregards the hundreds of millions of people they are orthodox Christians in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, and Central Europe. Along with the many many smaller sects that Catholicism attempted to destroy.
No it doesn't. My point is just that it's wrong to characterize trinitarianism as some rare American creed when most Christians in Spain, France, Portugal, Italy, Belgium, Ireland, Austria, and Poland subscribe to the idea. According to Pew research, Catholics make up around 50% of all Christians, so although it is wrong to say all Christians believe in the Trinity, it's just as wrong to suggest very few Christians recognize the Trinity.
Ah, you meant about the trinity, my bad. Just to be clear, that wasn’t what we’re discussing though, he’s arguing for the reformationist interpretation of Jesus being part of the Father himself, not them both being God.
Ah. That's am idea I haven't dealt with much so I probably got lost in the language.
waaaaay too reductive
heaven and hell , judgement day , the concept of evil /satan , the concept of messiah or prophet . Early Judaism was polytheists and it became monotheistic later on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z30Z5cOR5BA&t=851s
would that be early judaism tho? or the native canaanite religion.
the way i understand it, some failsons in the capital got super into monotheism somehow, and spent a lot of time trying to get their proto-jewish peasants to stop worshipping the many old gods. and that was the start of judaism.
native canaanites were at war with the promised people and then displaced or idk , but the ancient jewish gods were multiple it seems .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
iirc they are a tribe of Canaanites and eventually win out. There is a theory that they practiced Monolatry, the worship of a singular god, but without denying the existence of other deities. The Dead Sea Scrolls mention many sons of Elohim and make mention to the gods of other nations, which are defeated by El. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kpkp2vxX3I
So these Abrahamic people were a tribe or a displaced people from somewhere and defeated the native Canaanites.
A tribe in the region. Though Yahweh is not from the Levant or Egypt, seems he arrives in Egypt from farther east
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Jews don't necessarily believe in hell, and the closest thing they have to it is more like the sumerian or Greek afterlife than the hell modern Christians imagine. Prophets are also more common than you think, occurring in Etruscan and African cultures frequently. Satan is not big in judaism, far more a Christian thing. There are some similarities and it's probably ideas were exchanged between the two faiths towards their founding, but you can't say they just share ideology
A majority of Christian sects also reject a firm notion of Hell. Most view purgatory and salvation as the path that the soul takes.
Hell is simply where Satan resides, not some infinite torture chamber. Satan also has no control over Hell as Jesus willingly goes there and after a time, yoinks all the souls there up to Heaven without a problem during the ascension.
It kind of goes against the entire notion of indiscriminate forgiveness and salvation if you just got cast into hell and got stuck there.
I don't think a majority is right, but it's definitely true there's more than one strain of thought.
The truth is that hell was never a domain of Satan nor was it a torture chamber. Hell is actually a prison to destroy the souls of unbelievers through fire. Also, Yahweh had shown mercy when he offer people a chance to repent after the crucification of Jesus.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
The first rule of the ten commandments of the Bible did implied the polytheism with the claim that Yahweh is a jealous God and that no one should worship other gods.