I think this is a misread of tactics, strategy, and reasoning behind them. Yes, these elections are indispensable to building up the larger movement, which is the same for latin america, but there isnt really a large basis in DSA for believing that socialism will come about directly through just winning enough seats or something, I think everyone understands that these electoral systems completely negate any such strategy in the long term. Theres people that think elections serve different purposes, some people do want to take hold of certain aspects of state power, which i think is probably misguided. I think also theres lots of differences across the US though, and lots of varying conditions to what should or shouldnt be undertaken as strategy.
I'm involved with the communist caucuses in DSA and people definitely talk about revolution all the time, but lets be serious here Americans are incompetent and the left is barely just starting to get organized in some cohesive ways. We can barely organize a large meeting, what makes anyone think anything on the scale of civil war that happened in Russia and China would ever work here? Maybe if our hand is really forced at some point through some huge internal conflict in the US there would be no other choice, but our goal now has to be to organize the left and build up the movement in order to have some semblance of collective class power we can wield in some way and work to sabotage the empire from the inside. The US is sooner to break down and collapse in on itself than for some socialist movement to lead a revolution. Realistically we need to look at countries in latin america and what socialist parties there are doing today to really replicate some of their successes whos tactics and strategies can apply here too.
I think its understandable that people wouldnt be able to know whats to come, none of us here know either, theres only tactics and strategies to be undertaken to build towards collective class power. How that ultimately plays out isnt really in our control, theres just too many variables to know what could happen. Id say for at least 5 years its pretty clear what we have to do though.
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I think this is a misread of tactics, strategy, and reasoning behind them. Yes, these elections are indispensable to building up the larger movement, which is the same for latin america, but there isnt really a large basis in DSA for believing that socialism will come about directly through just winning enough seats or something, I think everyone understands that these electoral systems completely negate any such strategy in the long term. Theres people that think elections serve different purposes, some people do want to take hold of certain aspects of state power, which i think is probably misguided. I think also theres lots of differences across the US though, and lots of varying conditions to what should or shouldnt be undertaken as strategy.
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I'm involved with the communist caucuses in DSA and people definitely talk about revolution all the time, but lets be serious here Americans are incompetent and the left is barely just starting to get organized in some cohesive ways. We can barely organize a large meeting, what makes anyone think anything on the scale of civil war that happened in Russia and China would ever work here? Maybe if our hand is really forced at some point through some huge internal conflict in the US there would be no other choice, but our goal now has to be to organize the left and build up the movement in order to have some semblance of collective class power we can wield in some way and work to sabotage the empire from the inside. The US is sooner to break down and collapse in on itself than for some socialist movement to lead a revolution. Realistically we need to look at countries in latin america and what socialist parties there are doing today to really replicate some of their successes whos tactics and strategies can apply here too.
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I think its understandable that people wouldnt be able to know whats to come, none of us here know either, theres only tactics and strategies to be undertaken to build towards collective class power. How that ultimately plays out isnt really in our control, theres just too many variables to know what could happen. Id say for at least 5 years its pretty clear what we have to do though.
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