62 and 65 respectivelly and also there is a lot of changes in the rules too like you could ask for retirement early depending on contribution time and now you have be this age even if you already have worked for enough time changes to retirement for permanent disability going from a full pay of the salary to 60% plus 2% every year more than 20 contributing although it keeps the old full pay for work related injury among other things it was bad for workers overall
as for lula, there's no reason to think he would change the rules as the very first thing he did in his first term was precisely a pension reform (a bad reform, which even provoked a split in the party and the formation of a new, slightly more leftist one, the PSOL)
despite his rhetoric, lula is a centrist, not even center-left, though he's really good at pretending otherwise (i've seen other marxists and anarchists here calling it a siren's chant and it's just like that, he knows what to say and if you hear it for 30 minutes you're gonna believe everything regardless of our practical experience)
edit: bear in mind, brazil already has stuff like a free health care and a free higher education system (which is actually responsible for our best universities), so being a centrist under these conditions is still far better than a right-winger who actively tries to undermine or outright destroy these services - i'd be lying if i said i'm not anxious about 2022, especially as an aspiring academic
who knows at all like they would need the senate to be in favor of it to change that and that would be complicated as the senate has some weird 8 years election rules so it is kinda of a mess and the country economy will be on the shit probably whenever someone else assumes the power
before bolsonaro changed the retirement age it was 55 for women and 60 for men here in brazil right wing people love to complain about this
What did he change it to?
62 and 65 respectivelly and also there is a lot of changes in the rules too like you could ask for retirement early depending on contribution time and now you have be this age even if you already have worked for enough time changes to retirement for permanent disability going from a full pay of the salary to 60% plus 2% every year more than 20 contributing although it keeps the old full pay for work related injury among other things it was bad for workers overall
Does Lula (and Gomes) promise to lower it again?
it was actually 60/65 before the changes to 62/65
as for lula, there's no reason to think he would change the rules as the very first thing he did in his first term was precisely a pension reform (a bad reform, which even provoked a split in the party and the formation of a new, slightly more leftist one, the PSOL)
despite his rhetoric, lula is a centrist, not even center-left, though he's really good at pretending otherwise (i've seen other marxists and anarchists here calling it a siren's chant and it's just like that, he knows what to say and if you hear it for 30 minutes you're gonna believe everything regardless of our practical experience)
edit: bear in mind, brazil already has stuff like a free health care and a free higher education system (which is actually responsible for our best universities), so being a centrist under these conditions is still far better than a right-winger who actively tries to undermine or outright destroy these services - i'd be lying if i said i'm not anxious about 2022, especially as an aspiring academic
who knows at all like they would need the senate to be in favor of it to change that and that would be complicated as the senate has some weird 8 years election rules so it is kinda of a mess and the country economy will be on the shit probably whenever someone else assumes the power
That's also PRC's retirement age for white-collar workers. The average is at 54 probably because retirement age is 50 for blue-collar workers.
this is not true, it was 60 for women and 65 for men, then temer/bolsonaro changed it just for women (62)
oh fuck that is right i think i was thinking of the public service previdence stuff as both of my parents did that my bad
it's cool i get that mixed sometimes too, it's confusing that they only changed the age for women