Some of yall need to learn about how the CIA infiltrates the left and common bad faith tactics used to divide and conquer Just saying pic.twitter.com/oAul12BtUj— Nick is a Fred Hampton Leftist 🥋 (@SocialistMMA) June 28, 2021
Pretty interesting. A lot of these points have become the norm for any discussion in leftist spheres. How do we combat this?
If your org is sizable and you haven't had a discussion about what do to with potential police infiltrators than you've probably already been infiltrated. It's possible to sus them out, both through their disruptive tactics but also just by their more normal behavior. Many feds try to get into leadership positions before running ops, so you ought to vet all your leaders in some way. Feds usually the suspiciously well funded and highly motivated members of your org, so you are going to want to put them in leadership. Don't. Expel their asses. You won't have smoking gun evidence, no fed is letting their FBI badge fall out in the middle of a meeting. They're also going to try to ingratiate themselves with others and make friends, so that people won't be willing to confront them. You must discard these liberal ideals, this is class warfare and the feds are trying to DESTROY you and your org. You aren't in a court, you don't need hard evidence, but you need to be willing to force out undercover agents. Trust your gut if something smells. Literally put a tail on the guy and see where he lives, works, is he telling the truth? The fed in my org didn't know anyone else in the city except us and lived with another org member: so check for local connections and ties to the community. They are a favorite tool of the FBI and your kidding yourself if you think you won't be targeted after you have been causing enough trouble. It's the easiest way for the FBI to break up orgs and it's very easy for usually undisciplined leftists to fall right into their traps. Foster party discipline and a recognize the threat of undercovers so you can defend against them. Sooner rather than later before it's the fed making these rules.
If your org is sizable and you haven’t had a discussion about what do to with potential police infiltrators than you’ve probably already been infiltrated.
Okay, so now what?
Literally put a tail on the guy and see where he lives, works, is he telling the truth?
I don't doubt the methodology, but you're very quickly running into the Principle-Agent problem. Does every member need to stake out every other member to feel secure? Is treating every mushy liberal take from a new member like evidence of FBI infiltration productive towards growing membership or messaging?
There is, I think, a fundamental challenge in founding, operating, and growing an organization. Understanding that wreckers exist and addressing them when they appear is one thing. But it is hardly the only thing.
This rant seems to take the actual grassroots founding and organizing as a bygone conclusion and zips start to political intrigue.
If you go into an organization thinking "Who is the rat?!" then half the "turn members against each other" playbook is already executed.
That's why this is so effective. If you ignore the problem, they infiltrate and make the organization ineffective. If you go after the problem, you make your organization less effective, and spend a lot of time chasing your own tail. Even if you so get all the infiltrators, you can never be sure, and you spend a lot of time going after them.
Like nearly all things, you have to strike a balance. The right balance will have you spending a lot of time going after infiltrators imo.
If your org is sizable and you haven't had a discussion about what do to with potential police infiltrators than you've probably already been infiltrated. It's possible to sus them out, both through their disruptive tactics but also just by their more normal behavior. Many feds try to get into leadership positions before running ops, so you ought to vet all your leaders in some way. Feds usually the suspiciously well funded and highly motivated members of your org, so you are going to want to put them in leadership. Don't. Expel their asses. You won't have smoking gun evidence, no fed is letting their FBI badge fall out in the middle of a meeting. They're also going to try to ingratiate themselves with others and make friends, so that people won't be willing to confront them. You must discard these liberal ideals, this is class warfare and the feds are trying to DESTROY you and your org. You aren't in a court, you don't need hard evidence, but you need to be willing to force out undercover agents. Trust your gut if something smells. Literally put a tail on the guy and see where he lives, works, is he telling the truth? The fed in my org didn't know anyone else in the city except us and lived with another org member: so check for local connections and ties to the community. They are a favorite tool of the FBI and your kidding yourself if you think you won't be targeted after you have been causing enough trouble. It's the easiest way for the FBI to break up orgs and it's very easy for usually undisciplined leftists to fall right into their traps. Foster party discipline and a recognize the threat of undercovers so you can defend against them. Sooner rather than later before it's the fed making these rules.
Okay, so now what?
I don't doubt the methodology, but you're very quickly running into the Principle-Agent problem. Does every member need to stake out every other member to feel secure? Is treating every mushy liberal take from a new member like evidence of FBI infiltration productive towards growing membership or messaging?
There is, I think, a fundamental challenge in founding, operating, and growing an organization. Understanding that wreckers exist and addressing them when they appear is one thing. But it is hardly the only thing.
This rant seems to take the actual grassroots founding and organizing as a bygone conclusion and zips start to political intrigue.
If you go into an organization thinking "Who is the rat?!" then half the "turn members against each other" playbook is already executed.
That's why this is so effective. If you ignore the problem, they infiltrate and make the organization ineffective. If you go after the problem, you make your organization less effective, and spend a lot of time chasing your own tail. Even if you so get all the infiltrators, you can never be sure, and you spend a lot of time going after them.
Like nearly all things, you have to strike a balance. The right balance will have you spending a lot of time going after infiltrators imo.
You can see this tactic bearing fruit in this very thread.
Points at seagull flying by
Fed
Well, have you seen that cat that the CIA tried to turn into a spy gadget?