It's still an anti-Semitic dogwhistle and I'm not comfortable with it
Since when is "rabid dog" an antisemitic dogwhistle? Or is any criticism of Israel written with the use of literary devices to be labelled as an antisemitic dogwhistle?
Since when is “rabid dog” an antisemitic dogwhistle?
Since anti-semites called Jews dogs in their anti-semitic propaganda dating back over a century.
is any criticism of Israel written with the use of literary devices to be labelled as an antisemitic dogwhistle?
No, use of literary devices to criticize Israel is not an anti-semitic dogwhistle. Specifically referring to them as dogs is.
Everyone calls everyone else dogs, it's literally the most common insult in the world.
With a very well documented history in anti-Semitic propaganda. We can criticize Israel without using phrases that attract white supremacists to our spaces
What? Dog in reference to “Jewish” people has always been towards the gentiles, it even shows up in the Bible.
Dog is a basic insult and not a slur or antisemitic. History and linguistics does not agree with you.
Here’s Cambridge even saying the same.
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Hey thanks for this. You are correct that I was confused. I had falsely believed that calling Jews "dogs" was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.
The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said "No Jews or dogs allowed", but that doesn't meet the standard of what I had believed.
Could you provide sources for it being specifically used as antisemitic dogwistle, especially that you claim it's very well documented? Calling any ethnoreligious group "dogs" is of course not very nice (good that nobody here did it), but i relly never heard of thar particlar insult being specifically antisemitic unlike let's say "k_kes" or "l_ce" or many others which do have specific context.
I dug for sources and discovered I was wrong. I had falsely believed that calling Jews "dogs" was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs, as you said.
The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said "No Jews or dogs allowed", but that doesn't meet the standard of what I had believed.
Yeah, and respect for you for admitting it. For comparison, nazis also called Poles "pigs" with high consistence, but no one ever thought "pig" is antipolish slur since it's also one of those often used by everyone, including Poles for Germans.
Now when i think of it Polish slurs for Germans are pretty weak considering the circumstances, we have "szkop" (castrated ram, but also from the specific nazi helmet shape looking like pot or from Czech word for "highlander", literally "coming from up there"), "Helmut" (from the popular name), "Szwab" (from land of Swabia), even the worst case when we officially called the cockroach "Prusak" is also borrowed contextually from Czech language.
Yeah, the antisemitic comparisons I've seen have typically been in the "vermin" category. Implying that Jews need to exterminated. I guess dogs wouldn't fit the rhetoric well because people are generally sympathetic to dogs...
I know the dog comparison is used pejoratively in a couple of other languages, but the connection there seems to be to dogs barking - basically calling someone a nuisance.
Jews aren't being called "dogs". The state of Israel is being called a rabid dog, and rightfully.
Equating Israel with jewish people is one of the main tools that the PR teams of Israel and the IDF use to protect themselves from criticism of their genocidal expansion project, and you have fallen right into the trap.
I'm not falling into a trap, I am asking a member of my community to not use a dogwhistle that attracts white supremacists
Yes, we don't want to attract white supremacists that may think they are welcome in a place decorated to the brim with hammers and sickles and with a name that uses a suffix most known for being used to name the city of Stalingrad. That is definitely a concern for us.
I don’t know, we might attract the blind white supremacists….
What a bizarre statement that using the insult dogs will somehow attract Nazis to a communist site lmao
"Careful, you may attract nazis to this site by using that word!"
Meanwhile, the site during its most calm day.
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Calling someone a "dog" isn't a dogwhistle, I think you may be confused.
Anti-semitic animal based dogwhistles are usually some form of vermin; rats, cockroaches etc. Things that are usually seen as in need of extermination.
Hey thanks for this. You are correct that I was confused. I had falsely believed that calling Jews "dogs" was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.
The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said "No Jews or dogs allowed", but that doesn't meet the standard of what I had believed.
They said the country of Isreal, not Jewish people. This only makes sense if you automatically equate the two. I understand the discomfort of proximity there, but you're mischaracterizing what the other person said.
I am not saying the person is anti-Semitic, I'm saying it's a dog whistle and I am criticizing their use of it. There is no mischaracterization going on here.
My "There is no micharacterization going on here" shirt is raising a lot of questions etc etc
It turns out I was expressing a false belief.
I had falsely believed that calling Jews "dogs" was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.
The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said "No Jews or dogs allowed", but that doesn't meet the standard of what I had believed.
Could you share examples? I am familiar with Arabs being compared with jackals, but not Jews with dogs.
Hey thanks for this. I had falsely believed that calling Jews "dogs" was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.
The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said "No Jews or dogs allowed", but that doesn't meet the standard of what I had believed.
Israel the state does not represent Judaism nor ethnic Jews (just ask what happened to the Ethiopian Jews), it represent Zionism a movement fomented and supported by the Western colonial super powers before and after the World Wars as a means of creating a nationalistic foothold into the Middle East and thereby create monopolies of resources needed for the imperial cores at the time (and as a geopolitical soft/hard power for now). Saying someone wishes Israel as a state to no longer exist is not anti-semetic, it's like saying someone that wishes for the dismantling of the US is wishing for genocide or something similarly overreaching and ignorant of materialistic context.
Israel the state does not represent Judaism nor ethnic Jews
I am aware and agree.
Saying someone wishes Israel as a state to no longer exist is not anti-semetic
I agree.
What I believed was that the use of "dog" was an anti-semitic dogwhistle with historical use as a call to oppression and genocide of Jews.
Calling for the dismantling of Israel but using an anti-semitic dogwhistle with a history of calling for genocide blurs the line between legitimate criticism of Zionism and calling for anti-semitic genocide.
As it turns out, I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.
The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.
Had the commenter said “Israel is a plague of rats that needs to be exterminated”, I believe I would have been justified in calling it out as using a dogwhistle. As it stands, however, I was wrong.
Israel is an illegitimate, genocidal state. Zionists want to spread the antisemitic lie that all Jewish people support their evil, and you're helping them do that.
Fuck you for implying that I support genocide because of my blood.
Israel is an illegitimate, genocidal state.
Agreed.
Zionists want to spread the antisemitic lie that all Jewish people support their evil
Agreed.
and you’re helping them do that
Potentially inadvertently, due to a false belief. I had falsely believed that calling Jews “dogs” was a long anti-Semitic tradition. I did more research and discovered that actually historically they were called rats and lice and very few examples exist of anti-semitics tropes comparing Jews and dogs.
The most salient example of that was an American trend to hang a sign on your shop that said “No Jews or dogs allowed”, but that doesn’t meet the standard of what I had believed.
Had you said "Israel is a plague of rats that needs to be exterminated", I believe I would have been justified in calling you out for using a dogwhistle. As it stands, however, I was wrong.
Fuck you for implying that I support genocide because of my blood.
I don't know what your blood is, so rest assured I implied nothing due to it.
Additionally, I had no intention of implying you supported genocide. My intention was to accuse you of using dangerous language to express your perfectly valid point. Again, I was wrong about my beliefs of the history of those words.
I apologize.
Yo that is a major escalation. WTF? We're at the precipice of all out war in the region
They always bomb the demascus airport, they bombed it last week and the week before it
It wasn't directly in Damascus but in the outskirts, according to some sources 2 Irani soldier have been killed during the attack.
Anyone who was against Syrian sovereignty is either an imperialist, uncle Tom, and or an idiot. Wtf do they think was the goal of weakening Syria? Freedom, gtfoh with that bullshit. The sooner we all realize none of these imperialists are acting in good faith, the sooner we stop wasting time on bullshit.
I know we can't effect anything, but at least it would save us time countering this trash by just dismissing it. Being condescendingly dismissive is valid.
They sadly feel they can do what they want and that's probably true within reason. Iran isn't getting involved because the US is right there and they don't want to be bombed and have to deal with getting into a long-lasting war any more than the US does at this point. Same with other regional powers. They make statements in support of Palestine, draw red lines, and then yank the lines back a little when Israel toes up to them. They'll allow Israel to make certain shows without reacting with violence because none of the players in that region wants the regional war they can all see happening if they jump in against the zionist occupation.
So remember when Israel justified its first invasion of Palestine because foreign Arab powers were attacking Israel?
Turns out regimes that use that excuse to punish unrelated people are also not above doing a little attacking of foreign nations themselves.
This is a huge thing, Jesus lol
Are they trying to start a world war? I feel like we're already pretty close and this is just another step
Not a shocker if you just turned 48 like I did. In the 1980s when I was a kid, Reagan was President, and I lived in Maine. My dad’s proposal was to just drop a nuke on the whole region and annihilate the whole area. My dad was so mean. He was trying to keep me from blasting Rock the Casbah on my 45. Must have grated on his nerves.
