Oh dude I went the other way as an adult. I have a deep voice and I'm tall so I'm pretty obviously trans.
Even so people went from just default listening to me and taking my ideas seriously to just ignoring me half the time. It's most egregious with strangers, if I speak about anything technical people often overrule say my opinion on something physics (An area I'm pretty knowledgable in and relatively good at communicating) for some half remembered anecdote some man told them, previously they'd be like "Oh wow that's interesting, I always thought X" or something far more indicative that they listened.
Yeah, it's pretty clear we live in a very sexist society. I think when people who aren't exposed to gender equality movements much hear that they think it's a claim of rabid misogyny. It's not that though, most people aren't frothing at the mouth to say how shit women are (although we have a particularly nasty problem with domestic violence which is quite violent), it manifests in ways such as:
finding women more annoying than men exhibiting the same behaviour
speaking over women without even noticing they've talked
requiring higher standards of evidence for statements made by women
not actively seeking out the opinions of women in conversation in favour of giving attention to men
demanding women adopt masculine mannerisms and socialisation to be taken seriously
It catches men in the crossfire too, men who fail to meet masculine standards are discounted. Think about short men, or men with higher pitched soft voices etc.
It's frustrating and why it's not enough to just try not be sexist, but to be specifically anti sexist. That is, to make a point of compensating for biases you probably don't want to express but were likely conditioned into expressing as a child in order to approach something more like truly fair treatment.
Nah it happens even when I keep my mouth shut. Like men just look past you when looking for answers, people in shops will just ask a guy you're with what they want etc. Hell when I worked IT and people only knew my email signature I'd get the "can I get a man/someone more senior/an it specialist to look at this" after I'd give my opinion.
Oh dude I went the other way as an adult. I have a deep voice and I'm tall so I'm pretty obviously trans.
Even so people went from just default listening to me and taking my ideas seriously to just ignoring me half the time. It's most egregious with strangers, if I speak about anything technical people often overrule say my opinion on something physics (An area I'm pretty knowledgable in and relatively good at communicating) for some half remembered anecdote some man told them, previously they'd be like "Oh wow that's interesting, I always thought X" or something far more indicative that they listened.
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Yeah, it's pretty clear we live in a very sexist society. I think when people who aren't exposed to gender equality movements much hear that they think it's a claim of rabid misogyny. It's not that though, most people aren't frothing at the mouth to say how shit women are (although we have a particularly nasty problem with domestic violence which is quite violent), it manifests in ways such as:
It catches men in the crossfire too, men who fail to meet masculine standards are discounted. Think about short men, or men with higher pitched soft voices etc.
It's frustrating and why it's not enough to just try not be sexist, but to be specifically anti sexist. That is, to make a point of compensating for biases you probably don't want to express but were likely conditioned into expressing as a child in order to approach something more like truly fair treatment.
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That could be enough maybe? Anyone who is perceived as "strange" gets second hand citizenship, even if it's subtle.
Nah it happens even when I keep my mouth shut. Like men just look past you when looking for answers, people in shops will just ask a guy you're with what they want etc. Hell when I worked IT and people only knew my email signature I'd get the "can I get a man/someone more senior/an it specialist to look at this" after I'd give my opinion.