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Western leftists: eat less meat, that is individual choice and it matters greatly!

Global south: burn less carbon, pls, the ocean is drowning us

Western leftists: :pit: :pit: :pit:

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    Point me to the shopping aisle that doesn't wrap every sale item in plastic.

    Show me the power grid that isn't energized with coal-electricity.

    Motion me towards the long-distance travel solution that doesn't spew green house gas into the air.

    :improve-society: I would absolutely love to improve society somewhat.

    And yet I continue to live in it. (I can't find the smug-guy emoji)

    • BelovedOldFriend [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, you can make conscious choices to reduce your impact in those various ways, even if it doesn't completely overthrow or undo the system, it's still good. It's not an either/or binary.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        Conservation has personal benefits - cost savings, better health, a clean conscience. But it's got nothing to do with climate change.

        • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          It directly reduces emissions, so of course it has plenty to do with climate change. It's just not a sufficient action and never will be.

    • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      To be clear, I understand your point and it's a good one: there are important factors far outside the realm of "consumer choice". Private companies promote the notion of individual responsibility for the environment precisely to shift attention away from their much larger, profit-driven production modes. But I can actual answer some of those questions, so I think we should tweak them to contradict my actions.

      Point me to the shopping aisle that doesn’t wrap every sale item in plastic.

      Produce and the bulk section. I also got a frozen veggie sausage box the other day that ended up being just sausages in a cardboard box.

      Show me the power grid that isn’t energized with coal-electricity.

      It depends on how you define grid but there are states that rely mostly on hydro or nuclear and fill "gaps" with natural gas.

      If you're rich enough ("middle class"), you can buy solar panels / wind turbines for your house. This is obviously unavailable to most.

      Motion me towards the long-distance travel solution that doesn’t spew green house gas into the air.

      Technically there's no production of any kind that doesn't. Labor does this just from breathing. Cycling or riding a horse still have this problem, naturally. My answer here is weak, though.