I see what you’re saying. I don’t expect aggressive support of AES from a moderate socialist in the imperial core, but I do expect leftist politicians to be selective about commenting on topics they can’t (currently) win on or play politics and focus on the positives.
Eg A message of support for the cuban people in need of medical supplies and then pivoting to the embargo.
Reiterating the “cuba evil” propaganda is counterproductive to the political goals I assume AOC is (hopefully) working towards. It’s one more moment of anti-communist propaganda from someone who is often on our side. It shows a lack of solidarity and that’s worrying.
If I was talking with a lib or chud I’d be more coded in my language, but I’m talking shit with you and other comrades. Important for us to have a space to do that.
I can imagine a better statement, too, but she needs to reach an audience much broader than a lefty forum full of DPRK emojis. We want to build a mass movement, right? Building a mass movement involves saying things that don't get you written off as too radical to take seriously.
This is a great site, but we can't lose touch with the real world. We're judging politicians by the standards of this place, which are incompatible with the type of rhetoric you have to use if you're a politician trying to reach mass numbers of people. You mention the importance of coded language when talking to libs or chuds -- that's what politicians have to do.
Yeah, I think we’re in agreement here. If I’m being charitable, I think AOC severely overshot on any coded language she was using. If I’m being more militant, I chalk it up to imperial core brainworms. Social chauvinism is a real thing and takes effort to work through.
Either way, fingers crossed that she becomes more anti-imperialist. Calling for an end to the embargo is a good start, it’s unfortunate it was mixed in with condemnation of the Cuban people and their revolution.
I see what you’re saying. I don’t expect aggressive support of AES from a moderate socialist in the imperial core, but I do expect leftist politicians to be selective about commenting on topics they can’t (currently) win on or play politics and focus on the positives.
Eg A message of support for the cuban people in need of medical supplies and then pivoting to the embargo.
Reiterating the “cuba evil” propaganda is counterproductive to the political goals I assume AOC is (hopefully) working towards. It’s one more moment of anti-communist propaganda from someone who is often on our side. It shows a lack of solidarity and that’s worrying.
If I was talking with a lib or chud I’d be more coded in my language, but I’m talking shit with you and other comrades. Important for us to have a space to do that.
I can imagine a better statement, too, but she needs to reach an audience much broader than a lefty forum full of DPRK emojis. We want to build a mass movement, right? Building a mass movement involves saying things that don't get you written off as too radical to take seriously.
This is a great site, but we can't lose touch with the real world. We're judging politicians by the standards of this place, which are incompatible with the type of rhetoric you have to use if you're a politician trying to reach mass numbers of people. You mention the importance of coded language when talking to libs or chuds -- that's what politicians have to do.
Yeah, I think we’re in agreement here. If I’m being charitable, I think AOC severely overshot on any coded language she was using. If I’m being more militant, I chalk it up to imperial core brainworms. Social chauvinism is a real thing and takes effort to work through.
Either way, fingers crossed that she becomes more anti-imperialist. Calling for an end to the embargo is a good start, it’s unfortunate it was mixed in with condemnation of the Cuban people and their revolution.
Yeah, I think this is a good read on everything.
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Good talk comrade.
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