Joe Rogan really went on his show that 11 million people listen to and said that vaccines are causing covid mutations and the reason scientists aren't talking about it is because they're afraid of getting canceled. We are all going to die.

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And then finally that it's totalitarian if people have to show a vax card to go to a public gym, and that instead of doing this the government should be telling people to lose weight. Incredible.

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  • FriendlyDogman [they/them,he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Vaccines can cause mutations though. This is from 2018 btw before this entire topic became hyper-polarizing:

    Vaccines Are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve

    Read and his colleagues are studying how the herpesvirus that causes Marek’s disease — a highly contagious, paralyzing and ultimately deadly ailment that costs the chicken industry more than $2 billion a year — might be evolving in response to its vaccine. Its latest vaccine, that is. Marek’s disease has been sickening chickens globally for over a century; birds catch it by inhaling dust laden with viral particles shed in other birds’ feathers. The first vaccine was introduced in 1970, when the disease was killing entire flocks. It worked well, but within a decade, the vaccine mysteriously began to fail; outbreaks of Marek’s began erupting in flocks of inoculated chickens. A second vaccine was licensed in 1983 in the hopes of solving the problem, yet it, too, gradually stopped working. Today, the poultry industry is on its third vaccine. It still works, but Read and others are concerned it might one day fail, too — and no fourth-line vaccine is waiting. Worse, in recent decades, the virus has become more deadly.

    Immunization is also making once-rare or nonexistent genetic variants of pathogens more prevalent, presumably because vaccine-primed antibodies can’t as easily recognize and attack shape-shifters that look different from vaccine strains. And vaccines being developed against some of the world’s wilier pathogens — malaria, HIV, anthrax — are based on strategies that could, according to evolutionary models and lab experiments, encourage pathogens to become even more dangerous.

    Please, I'm begging y'all to realize that just because someone you disagree with says something doesn't mean there isn't a kernel of truth to it. That little bit of truth is what makes it such effective propaganda too.

    Obligatory: this is not a defense of Rogan just so we're clear.

    • inshallah2 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      That little bit of truth is what makes it such effective propaganda too.

      1. That's one problem.

      2. Another problem is that Rogan is a musclehead who his fanning fans will follow even into oblivion. And nuance isn't his thing.

    • ultraviolet [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      This is getting too pedantic about it. Yes vaccines can cause mutations but the problem with Rogan saying this is it adds to the anti-vax movement because he isn't going to be nuanced about it. Vaccines are still going to reduce transmission so people not getting them makes it worse for everyone.

        • ShutUpShutUpShutUp [she/her]
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          3 years ago

          He might be correct that it can happen, but it's very unlikely to be contributing to the virus mutating more than it running rampant over large swaths of the populace.

          You can stop being stupid on purpose now.