The tweet screenshotted is from a portion whose premise is whether "intervention" in light of "human rights abuses" can be a justified position among leftists or whether "we" (Western leftists) should be "full isolationists".
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what levers of power are available for us to attempt to push. There is no "good faith interventionism" button in the US Empire. That is the lie sold to propagandized Americans, Brits, etc. as a fig leaf for self-serving imperial war. To destroy the Balkans, to support a Ugandan invasion of Rwanda and a nearly unreported and quite different, but larger scale genocide, to dispossess an entire civilian population until it is at pre-industrialization living conditions to push neoliberal privatization, to guard against a threat of new expansionist superpowers more than willing to attack the United States. These are the actual reasons or at least major ones, for US "intervention", with a concern for human rights being purely aesthetic, just for propaganda. When this does actually serve a good cause, such as the outcomes we praise in WWII, it is incidental, accidental.
I don't know why you would list the premise of a single part of the discussion and then leave out what everyone in there actually said. Like they spend the entire early part of the thing listing off examples of US corruption and war crimes in Afghanistan, talking about how it was ignored by the media and the the events of the withdrawal pale in comparison to what was happening to sustain the status quo. She brought on a bunch of lefties from the anti war movement and asked them a common questions so they could expand on what the left's actual position is much like you're doing here. They run through the exact same shit everyone here agrees with and says all the time and then she ended the discussion by asking them what can people do to help and the guest point people to left anti war orgs and ones that help refugees.
I didn't "leave out" anything, I'm talking about the explicit title and topic if the episode and the part of the video that the screenshot is covering. The rest of the podcast doesn't contradict my point about that premise, either.
The tweet screenshotted is from a portion whose premise is whether "intervention" in light of "human rights abuses" can be a justified position among leftists or whether "we" (Western leftists) should be "full isolationists".
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what levers of power are available for us to attempt to push. There is no "good faith interventionism" button in the US Empire. That is the lie sold to propagandized Americans, Brits, etc. as a fig leaf for self-serving imperial war. To destroy the Balkans, to support a Ugandan invasion of Rwanda and a nearly unreported and quite different, but larger scale genocide, to dispossess an entire civilian population until it is at pre-industrialization living conditions to push neoliberal privatization, to guard against a threat of new expansionist superpowers more than willing to attack the United States. These are the actual reasons or at least major ones, for US "intervention", with a concern for human rights being purely aesthetic, just for propaganda. When this does actually serve a good cause, such as the outcomes we praise in WWII, it is incidental, accidental.
I don't know why you would list the premise of a single part of the discussion and then leave out what everyone in there actually said. Like they spend the entire early part of the thing listing off examples of US corruption and war crimes in Afghanistan, talking about how it was ignored by the media and the the events of the withdrawal pale in comparison to what was happening to sustain the status quo. She brought on a bunch of lefties from the anti war movement and asked them a common questions so they could expand on what the left's actual position is much like you're doing here. They run through the exact same shit everyone here agrees with and says all the time and then she ended the discussion by asking them what can people do to help and the guest point people to left anti war orgs and ones that help refugees.
I didn't "leave out" anything, I'm talking about the explicit title and topic if the episode and the part of the video that the screenshot is covering. The rest of the podcast doesn't contradict my point about that premise, either.