then our leader’s name entered the English language as a synonym for ‘collaborator
This would only be some sort of argument if Quisling was already in power when the nazis invaded, which he wasn't. The nazis installed him as "our leader", not the norwegian people.
You're also conveniently leaving out the resistance movements who most definitely did not lay down arms after 62 days. But I suppose that they and all the people who supported them were all "collaborators" as well, including the communists.
Why's it so hard to condemn Nazi collaborators? I had no idea so many users were so defensive about their history. I would think that condemning them would be second nature, but no. You bring up American slavery all the time; how is this any different?
You’re also conveniently leaving out the resistance movements
Our resistance movement was called the Union Army and we had a civil war in which hundreds of thousands of us died to put an end to slavery. How's that compare?
Your "resistance" movement outcompeted the total industrial production of the south by almost an order of magnitude. The slavers never had a chance, as long as the North fought.
Norway put up a pretty decent fight, all things considered, held out and even advanced until the Brits abandoned them leaving them without air support or supply. The commander of their remaining forces committed suicide as soon as he was out from the Nazi's thumb.
Their government managed to escape and refused to surrender. And their resistance (40,000 strong) famously crippled the Nazi Nuclear Progam and forced a 300,000 strong occupation army to stay in place, crippling the Nazi's in the later stages of the war.
The entire population, save 15000 SS Chuds, maintained a consistent program of Civil Disobedience.
Yeah, Quisling was a Nazi shit, and he and his entire government died Nazi shits up against the wall. Lesser Collaborators were ostracised, literally. Many starved to death.
Meanwhile the USA was importing rocket scientists and packing NATO with Nazi goons.
No, I am criticizing them for being Nazi collaborators. I'm more than a little shocked at the angry denial of complicity in Nazi war crimes in this thread. Add to it words that could have been written by Trump, and I think I've had enough internet for the day. I'm gonna go outside and walk in the park.
I'm not European, and our crimes are...about equal to the USA, really. Yay settler colonialism.
62 whole days! Hey, don’t you ridicule the Poles for folding faster than Superman on laundry day? They held out for 40 days.
Poles underperformed in the initial invasion, it's true, they also had an army of 1 million to Norway's 50,000.
That program never had a chance. There was zero possibility of them ever actually making a bomb.
They didn't have the funding, but until 1942 they were pretty close to where the US was in technical capability.
How many Americans joined the SS? You see how easy this is?
At least several dozen, probably several hundred. When did the Yanks join the war again? Oh yeah, after the Nazi's declared war on you. It is easy isn't it?
Roosevelt was doing everything he could to get a war started. There was an undeclared war in the Atlantic. The American people had fled Europe, and were deeply suspicious of getting involved in the old country's problems. What more did you want him to do? He cut Japan off from its oil supplies and boxed them in to declaring war.
At least several dozen, probably several hundred.
Five. As opposed to the Scandinavians who happily volunteered to fill up entire SS divisions. SS Division Wiking, SS Division Nordland, you get the idea.
if Roosevelt gets compliments for the quasi-war in the Atlantic and giving material, then Norway and Denmark at least deserve credit for openly fighting, even if only for a while. If they only could last one day fighting back and did so, that would be as worthy of praise as if they lasted 100. The point is they did oppose the Nazis, and at that moment moreso than america
I'm no fan of the Second Polish Republic (grumble Warsaw grumble should have won), but The Charge at Krojanty (against a motorised infantry division with armoured cars) was a) successful and b) as glorious as war gets.
This would only be some sort of argument if Quisling was already in power when the nazis invaded, which he wasn't. The nazis installed him as "our leader", not the norwegian people.
You're also conveniently leaving out the resistance movements who most definitely did not lay down arms after 62 days. But I suppose that they and all the people who supported them were all "collaborators" as well, including the communists.
Why's it so hard to condemn Nazi collaborators? I had no idea so many users were so defensive about their history. I would think that condemning them would be second nature, but no. You bring up American slavery all the time; how is this any different?
Our resistance movement was called the Union Army and we had a civil war in which hundreds of thousands of us died to put an end to slavery. How's that compare?
Your "resistance" movement outcompeted the total industrial production of the south by almost an order of magnitude. The slavers never had a chance, as long as the North fought.
Norway put up a pretty decent fight, all things considered, held out and even advanced until the Brits abandoned them leaving them without air support or supply. The commander of their remaining forces committed suicide as soon as he was out from the Nazi's thumb.
Their government managed to escape and refused to surrender. And their resistance (40,000 strong) famously crippled the Nazi Nuclear Progam and forced a 300,000 strong occupation army to stay in place, crippling the Nazi's in the later stages of the war.
The entire population, save 15000 SS Chuds, maintained a consistent program of Civil Disobedience.
Yeah, Quisling was a Nazi shit, and he and his entire government died Nazi shits up against the wall. Lesser Collaborators were ostracised, literally. Many starved to death.
Meanwhile the USA was importing rocket scientists and packing NATO with Nazi goons.
See what I mean? Endless contempt for Americans, while excusing your own, far worse crimes. You people have a real problem with being defensive.
62 whole days! Hey, don't you ridicule the Poles for folding faster than Superman on laundry day? They held out for 40 days.
That program never had a chance. There was zero possibility of them ever actually making a bomb.
How many Americans joined the SS? You see how easy this is?
And I love the anti-NATO sentiment. Trump could have written that himself.
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No, I am criticizing them for being Nazi collaborators. I'm more than a little shocked at the angry denial of complicity in Nazi war crimes in this thread. Add to it words that could have been written by Trump, and I think I've had enough internet for the day. I'm gonna go outside and walk in the park.
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I'm not European, and our crimes are...about equal to the USA, really. Yay settler colonialism.
Poles underperformed in the initial invasion, it's true, they also had an army of 1 million to Norway's 50,000.
They didn't have the funding, but until 1942 they were pretty close to where the US was in technical capability.
At least several dozen, probably several hundred. When did the Yanks join the war again? Oh yeah, after the Nazi's declared war on you. It is easy isn't it?
What is this a pro-NATO sub now?
Roosevelt was doing everything he could to get a war started. There was an undeclared war in the Atlantic. The American people had fled Europe, and were deeply suspicious of getting involved in the old country's problems. What more did you want him to do? He cut Japan off from its oil supplies and boxed them in to declaring war.
Five. As opposed to the Scandinavians who happily volunteered to fill up entire SS divisions. SS Division Wiking, SS Division Nordland, you get the idea.
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if Roosevelt gets compliments for the quasi-war in the Atlantic and giving material, then Norway and Denmark at least deserve credit for openly fighting, even if only for a while. If they only could last one day fighting back and did so, that would be as worthy of praise as if they lasted 100. The point is they did oppose the Nazis, and at that moment moreso than america
Do you... support NATO?
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Poland is a laughingstock of Europe because of that. They charged German tanks with cavalry. That's how the story goes.
I'm no fan of the Second Polish Republic (grumble Warsaw grumble should have won), but The Charge at Krojanty (against a motorised infantry division with armoured cars) was a) successful and b) as glorious as war gets.
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Europeans. Duh.
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