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I know this video is almost 5 hours long, just skip the parts you find boring or unreasonable. There is plenty of truly shocking evidence presented in this thing.
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lmao no
i would rather watch the fucking 5 hour icarly review
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theory
However, the Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge conspiracy is rejected by most historians as a fringe theory.
also it was promoted by the fascist nazi-lovers the "america first committee" as a way to attack FDR. :yikes:
Plenty of things that were once rejected as fringe theories are now established fact. Look at mass surveillance, look at the Gulf of Tonkin incident, look at WMDs in Iraq. What makes advance knowledge theories (about Pearl Harbor or 9/11) plausible is that:
- You don't need tons of people involved. At minimum, you'd need only one.
- You don't need a great deal of coordination if multiple people are involved. It's easy to have war hawks buy into this sort of thing independently.
- You don't need anyone to actually do anything. The whole idea is that someone sits on information until it's too late.
This all makes direct evidence of the theory -- memos, phone calls, meeting notes, etc. -- hard to come by as well. If such evidence exists, it might take decades to be declassified, if it's released at all, and there still might be speculation required about the intent of key decision makers.
It's easy to see why historians won't touch this: what do they have to go on? But they're responding to an absence of evidence, which is not the same as evidence of absence.
i feel like it would have come out by now if it was true though.
But what would come out? If you ignore intelligence, or slow-walk your response to it, you don't need to produce documentation stating what you're doing. And at a high enough level there's always an excuse for inaction -- you have a million other things on your plate and can't be jumping at every scary story you're told.
well if nothing conclusive has ever come out, then i can't wholeheartedly believe in it, whether it is plausible or not.
Yeah, I'd agree that taking an advance knowledge theory as the gospel truth is unsupportable. But when you look at all the other wars we've lied our way into, stuff like that Project for a New American Century memo that talked about "a new Pearl Harbor" as a means of leading the country to war, and the way people at the top think about war, I'd say it easily clears the bar of plausibility. It might even be likely.
A big conspiracy isn't necessary though. If Pearl Harbor didn't happen, then the US government would have declared war based on some random civilian ship getting sunk in some random submarine attack in the middle of nowhere just like they did for WWI. Any excuse would have done fine. The attack on Pearl Harbor just happened a bit before the US government got around to ginning up support for whatever other reason they might have picked a year or two later.
This isn't a big conspiracy, which is no small part of what makes it plausible. It's not faking the moon landing, which would require the consent and then silence of thousands of people spread all over the country. It could have been just FDR by himself, or at most a few high-ranking officials in the right places.
As for the scale of the attack itself, maybe they were hoping for something smaller. It's like the FBI winding up right-wing cranks and playing fast and loose with goading them on. Maybe the idea is to get them incriminated enough to make a big splashy arrest, but that goes sideways sometimes.
Yeah there’s a lot in this thing I just skipped over cause it was too fringe for me. But hey, it’s a conspiracy video so kinda to be expected. But parts of it are quite suspicious to a degree of knowledge or even coordination from various intelligence agencies.
I know 9/11 truther shit is associated with chuds so I understand a lot of people automatically being repulsed by this shit. But I guess for me, knowing the heinous shit our government has done in the past, it seems at least plausible some of this could end up being true. I also think some leftists don’t care as much due to 9/11 killing a lot of finance bros, cops, and military shitheads. Again, understandable and I don’t really lose sleep over those people that died lolol. But also, there were plenty of workers and good people who died in the attacks as well, I’m sure. Especially when you consider how advantageous 9/11 became for the US propaganda machine in brainwashing citizens into losing rights, killing millions of civilians, torturing, etc. etc. it’s significant to me since 1. It seems our gov did not tell us the full story. 2. The event itself and the benefits it afforded imperialism contributed to millions of deaths.
Main things I found suspicious were the explosion heard before the first plane hit the wtc, the seemingly impossible plane maneuvers executed by novice pilots, dick Cheney’s recounting of where he was during the day not matching up with others who were with him, anthrax attacks that took place shortly after, and mossad’s cameos leading up to 9/11.
But I guess for me, knowing the heinous shit our government has done in the past, it seems at least plausible some of this could end up being true.
When I hear someone say "the government would never do that"
100%. Not a stretch to imagine 9/11 being a fusion of operation mockingbird, gladio, and other ops that proved to be successful for imperial interests.
Can’t speak for anything regarding Pearl Harbor. I haven’t “ researched ” any of that. “New Pearl Harbor” the title refers to some internal US gov memo expressing how the US public would not approve of the type of intervention Washington desired in the Middle East without there being an event similar to Pearl Harbor to get Americans into blood lust mode.
Been meaning to watch it when I get the time. :chavez-salute:
This clip and others are what got me interested in it.
Quite the time investment. I only watched like 2 hours of it by skipping around haha
I really like the synth soundtrack in New Pearl Harbor, it's really eerie during the passenger segment If you like Truanon you might like both of alienscientist's 9/11 videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE6VUpSgx9Q
In the first one he used to have an annotation clarifying that the pod stuff was misinformation. I fluctuate on how much of the conspiracy view I believe but it's generally interesting if you steer clear of wacko territory full of right wingers and astroturfs.
I know, I love the kinda cheap midi synths. Really does evoke a spooky vibe.
Thanks for the rec, I’ll check these out. I liked the trueanon 9/11 series with that mysterious dude Ben.
