So I know there's no "genocide" going on, and that the facilities are there to mitigate the real threat of terrorism in China, and basically every claim Western news makes about it is some Grade-A bullshit, but...
How many people are in these facilities at a given time? My BF claims it's gotta be at least 5% and that seems hella high to me. But if I google, all I get is Zenz bullshit, or people discrediting Zenz bullshit, but no real information about how many people are actually going through the reeducation/vocational training that China is doing. Does anyone have any good sources? Particularly for someone who is critical of Western news but considers Al Jazeera and AP as the pinnacle of journalistic credibility?
It's easy to discredit bullshit, but he's really caught up on knowing the real numbers here and "all your sources are straight-up lies" isn't gonna fly here if I don't have a counter-offer.
One - its me, moving very fast in order to create the illusion of a population
once it’s established that the goal is purely to diminish risk of terrorist activity rather than some sort of war on Uighur culture or people,
I mean, we know it's the latter but could well be the former. The US war on terror was a real attempt to prevent terror attacks, but it was also an attack on Muslims and Arab Americans.
I guess I just think about how important it was to claim to be Han throughout Chinese history, in order to access a lot of privileges, and that kind of racism doesn't just... go away, it's got to be actively combated, and in a situation where Uyghurs are being encouraged to learn Mandarin and assimilate into Han Chinese culture, that doesn't seem to be the case.
The US war on terror was a real attempt to prevent terror attacks,
...no, it wasn't.
last I read the compulsory vocational school program ended in December 2019, it might take me a while to dig up the reference
EDIT: found the xinhua article http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-12/09/c_138617314.htm. you can find a mess of articles from this time Dec 2019 saying "China CLAIMS schools closed" type shit, here's one https://apnews.com/article/religion-terrorism-ap-top-news-international-news-politics-27f00e4feaa2755f25ab514cecda7add
I remember someone posted some really good translations of the 'leaked internal documents' that were apparently proof of all this.
IIRC they mentioned that the highest percentage of minorities in any given region happened to be the one with the highest population and most terrorist activity, which sat at about 10 percent of Uighurs in the region being detained. This is where the million number comes from - news articles took this number and extrapolated it across the entire Uighur population which gives about 1.2m, but this ignores the fact that this area was singled out in the documents as an outlier and the high numbers were clearly being stated as an issue.
Nothing in those documents gave total numbers, but the translation gives us a good idea of how overblown the numbers were in western media. Combined with the fact that the program might also be finished I wouldn't be surprised if they have less Muslims 'detained' there as a percentage of the population that we do here in Australia.
For Australia - 4-5% of Indigenous Australians are detained, compared to 0.2% of the general public. Out of the total number of people detained, Indigenous Australians make up 1/3 of them. Probably likely that there are regions where 10% of Indigenous Australians are detained.
Honestly I don’t have a clue on numbers. Could be 100, could be 100,000. I’d imagine there’s some internal documents from China that have the answer , but it’s 1) in Chinese 2) understandably a skeptical source of information.
I do have this though. It’s a paper on Xinjiang from Europe that is surprisingly pro China. Maybe you’ll find something there.
That paper is funded by NGOs that support Italy aligning with BRICS instead on Europe, so it makes sense they'd be more pro China.
Just put the argument this way:
On one side, a government made up of scientists and engineers. Xi Jinping is a chemical engineer by trade. Officially atheist.
On the other, uneducated religious bumblefucks who think if they get killed, they get 72 raisins in heaven. The equivalent of Alabama fundamentalists.
The atheists are forcibly educating the religious nutbags, ensuring that they can get jobs in the modern economy when they get out. They're also showing them, forcibly, how their religion is a complete lie and makes zero sense.
If this happened in America, whose side would you choose? Why?
This dude's posts about China all have weird energy like this.
BTW why would they be building mosques if the goal was to eliminate religion? Isn't Xi some sort of Buddhist?
The mosques are controlled by China and dispense only state-approved messaging.
Recently Christians got all upset because China removed the steeples from their churches (the horror!) and put cameras and microphones inside. Because oh dearie me how are they to spew homophobia and all the other well-known Christian disgusting practices without secrecy.
Interesting, can you provide a source so we can read more about this?
