And apparently none of AES is good enough to meet the standards of hex bear dot net user u/activated to qualify as socialist either, and we all know that's the necessary bar for socialist projects to clear.
I mean, I'm typing this from my neighborhood in which I and and everyone I know are priced out of ever affording a home because Chinese investors own a majority of the real estate. So yeah, AES is 0/3 in terms of the words that make it up.
Xi has all of my support in purging those piggies but until then it ain't actually existing.
You've got to take baby steps if you want to move people left. I try to argue for communization of the mop ala Venezuela, prison abolition, deliberate attempts to limit violence, the importance of dreaming grand dreams, of acting for today, for prefiguration. If they want to hold on to China as something to believe in, let them.
Yeah I have no real issue with China in general. I originally commented in here to make the point that it's 100% legitimate to be a genuine Marxist scholar who takes serious issue with major AES examples, and frankly, most of them in the 20th century did.
There's a tendency in newish (meaning within the past decade or so, basically after the left went dormant) to rally behind mythical figures and narratives, whether it be Marx himself, or countries like China. They cling to them as the position from which they fight their battles to the right.
But the 20th century WAS rich with people who viewed Marx's political project not as Foundation style psychohistory, but as another step in a political and philosophical tradition, and one which we need to mold to our conditions. Part of that meant, for them, accepting the truth when revolutions did not produce the kind of society they wished for. This was a REALLY hard step for Sartre in particular, and it cost him his friendship with Camus.
Oh shit France is communist? Thats news to me
Wait until you find out that no existing society is communist.
lol yeah, France after situationists, China after CPC, USSR after Bolsheviks. The French are definitely the ones that accomplished the most.
From the perspective of carrying out Marx's dialectical movement towards a classless society? its_the_same_picture.jpg
Yep. Same class in power, absolutely no difference between these three societies.
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Damn you're way smarter than the best thinkers of the 20th century
And apparently none of AES is good enough to meet the standards of hex bear dot net user u/activated to qualify as socialist either, and we all know that's the necessary bar for socialist projects to clear.
I'm not even really a third-worldist, but sometimes I wish this website made it mandatory to be one.
After threads like these, yeah same
I mean, I'm typing this from my neighborhood in which I and and everyone I know are priced out of ever affording a home because Chinese investors own a majority of the real estate. So yeah, AES is 0/3 in terms of the words that make it up.
Xi has all of my support in purging those piggies but until then it ain't actually existing.
As we all know, the second you press the communism button all capitalists cease to exist and stop doing porky activities instantaneously.
Given the original revolution + a cultural revolution booster shot + nearly century, "the second" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
Im recovering from surgery and don't have the energy to argue with liberals about dengism today so im checking out of this thread
bye
You've got to take baby steps if you want to move people left. I try to argue for communization of the mop ala Venezuela, prison abolition, deliberate attempts to limit violence, the importance of dreaming grand dreams, of acting for today, for prefiguration. If they want to hold on to China as something to believe in, let them.
Yeah I have no real issue with China in general. I originally commented in here to make the point that it's 100% legitimate to be a genuine Marxist scholar who takes serious issue with major AES examples, and frankly, most of them in the 20th century did.
There's a tendency in newish (meaning within the past decade or so, basically after the left went dormant) to rally behind mythical figures and narratives, whether it be Marx himself, or countries like China. They cling to them as the position from which they fight their battles to the right.
But the 20th century WAS rich with people who viewed Marx's political project not as Foundation style psychohistory, but as another step in a political and philosophical tradition, and one which we need to mold to our conditions. Part of that meant, for them, accepting the truth when revolutions did not produce the kind of society they wished for. This was a REALLY hard step for Sartre in particular, and it cost him his friendship with Camus.