Not every single person is. But the majority of them are. I don’t refer to special forces or seals or stuff when I talk about this. I mean your regular lower enlisted Joe
Look, part of the reason peolle have such a problem with this is that you're saying the majority of soldiers are abjectly poor, but you aren't actually presenting non-anecdotal evidence.
If that's your case, and you clearly regret doing it and are organizing against the government, then good. But projecting your own motivations along with the fact that recruiters are lying assholes into an assessment of all soldiers inevitably comes off as apologia, and people are going to take it that way, even if it's not what you mean.
I’m saying the majority is working class. I’m using my own experiences from the military to try and educate others on what I saw personally and what I went through.
Working class is a large group, and many working class people are not living in misery. I'd say it's a stretch to assume most of the military are abjectly poor and that it drives them to join up.
It’s not the ruling class or bourgeoisie that are joining though. Yes not all the working class is living in misery, but those who are or may have no other options will join if they become convinced to for whatever reason.
It’s not the ruling class or bourgeoisie that are joining though.
Of course not, they're all officers if they do join.
This still doesn't mean anything. Yeah, some people who join the military do it because they believe it's their only option for a more comfortable life. A lot of much poorer people also don't join the military.
You have to understand why this kind of thing bothers people. It can easily come off as justifying or relativizing.
I’m just trying to have people understand that it’s more complicated than “I want to kill people” and “they know what they signed up for.”
To also understand that there can be comrades who come from the military, and not just right them off because of their past. If I was able to self criticize and change to the point of joining an actual communist party, then others can too. And we need troops on the left. They have seen the machinery of imperialism and are some of the best tools to help dismantle the machine. And hopefully prevent as many as we can from moving to the hard right.
And that's an approach I agree with. However, let's not incorrectly paint the whole military as being made up of poor and desperate people.
Not every single person is. But the majority of them are. I don’t refer to special forces or seals or stuff when I talk about this. I mean your regular lower enlisted Joe
Look, part of the reason peolle have such a problem with this is that you're saying the majority of soldiers are abjectly poor, but you aren't actually presenting non-anecdotal evidence.
If that's your case, and you clearly regret doing it and are organizing against the government, then good. But projecting your own motivations along with the fact that recruiters are lying assholes into an assessment of all soldiers inevitably comes off as apologia, and people are going to take it that way, even if it's not what you mean.
I’m saying the majority is working class. I’m using my own experiences from the military to try and educate others on what I saw personally and what I went through.
Working class is a large group, and many working class people are not living in misery. I'd say it's a stretch to assume most of the military are abjectly poor and that it drives them to join up.
It’s not the ruling class or bourgeoisie that are joining though. Yes not all the working class is living in misery, but those who are or may have no other options will join if they become convinced to for whatever reason.
Of course not, they're all officers if they do join.
This still doesn't mean anything. Yeah, some people who join the military do it because they believe it's their only option for a more comfortable life. A lot of much poorer people also don't join the military.
You have to understand why this kind of thing bothers people. It can easily come off as justifying or relativizing.
I’m just trying to have people understand that it’s more complicated than “I want to kill people” and “they know what they signed up for.”
To also understand that there can be comrades who come from the military, and not just right them off because of their past. If I was able to self criticize and change to the point of joining an actual communist party, then others can too. And we need troops on the left. They have seen the machinery of imperialism and are some of the best tools to help dismantle the machine. And hopefully prevent as many as we can from moving to the hard right.