I was reading a pretty-okay article about doujin circles from 1996 and the writer said the cons were filled with "virginal girls." Why oh why do you need to weigh in on their sex lives when saying young girls write their own manga? I also hate the absolutely disgusting look so many people in america take with Japanese school girls. Not saying Japan is totally innocent here, but the whole "yeah all Japanese school girls are super-sexualised. I know because every piece of Japanese culture I look at contains sexualized children" and never realise that this is a statement on their own failure.

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      worth discussing, but that;s more about the exaggerated sexual nature of sometimes prepubescent boys than male gaze turned at young women.

  • justjoshint [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    basically me when trying to read about premodern india. the most obvious stuff is the 19th century race science and aryan shit, the sexualisation stuff isnt as front and center but its definitely still there because of orientalism and cetera

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      yeah. The way americans in general interacted with any foreign culture was just absurd in how weirdly racist and sexual it is. Not saying its perfect now, but a fair sight better.

      • justjoshint [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        most of the shit im thinking of is british/german but what can i say we (americans) learned from the best

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Now to be fair, there is a lot of sexualisation of everyone, especially women and girls, in Japanese manga and anime. However, three recently popular anime, jujutsu kaisen, Kimetsu no Yaiba, and Jojo's bizarre adventure, all do not feature sexualised underage characters. However, people go out of their way to find these things, and pretend its Japan's fault it exists. Take Lolita fashion for example, the original purpose was that women would be so covered up, and their more sexualised parts so concealed, that they would be outside the male gaze. Some men interpreted this as baby-play, and I don't need to tell you about how underage looking characters kinda veered off this path. I guess my overall point is that american culture and Japanese culture both sexualise young women, but it's some weird kind of brain worm that america can intentionally import this content and pretend they are not just as much a part of the problem.

        • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          real cool to just ignore the entire BL genre. Jolyne is neither a minor in age or really depicted as schoolgirlish. Nobara takes of her jacket to reveal a shirt, not really that sexual. The rest of these are somewhat matters of interpretation or taste, so I can't really debate it.

  • Tomboys_are_Cute [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    I was about to sick @Yuritopiaposadism on you for the history of Yuri but before I did I looked at the articles I read about the history of the Yuri genre and realised they were all after 2010. Your point stands, western weebs are on par with :gamer-gulag: without fail.

    Here are some articles in case you're interested in what I'm on about:

    Yuri isn't made for Men, 2017

    Defining Yuri Manga, also 2017 by an EN publisher

    Yuri Manga, and Indepth Look, 2014

    • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      In the end, weebs perspective on anime cannot be trusted, as they overlook or actively exacerbate the flaws and are part of the problem, but the non-anime watching public, or even the people who have watched a couple but aren't really into it, cannot be trusted, as they do not understand the full depth and parameters of what anime is and can be, and often hold racist stereotypes about Japan in the heart of their argument. So it follows that the only based people involved in this whole debacle are Hirohiko Araki and Usada Pekora.

      joking aside, I'll take a look at the articles, thanks for the sources. I really wish everyone involved in the whole discussion of anime in the west weren't so disgusting in most of the views they profess.

        • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
          hexagon
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          3 years ago

          I was joking a bit. JJBA does do a fair bit of staring at its male characters and their bodies, and there are quite a few moments or characters that feel gay, but it is not explicitly gay for the most part.