how the fuck are they gonna solve that without another revolution

edit: this is a genuine question btw, not supposed to be a "gotcha"

  • Straight_Depth [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    The issue is not one of whether or not private businesses will, or need to exist, but rather one of who has the actual power; the state, or capital? In the former case, the state retains ultimate authority over capital, and can allow it to exist as long as it plays by its rules. Capital will not magically wither away, but the state does have the ability to seize apital as and when it is necessary to do so.

    Also, have you got a source for those numbers, seems pretty nuts either way.

    • s0ykaf [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The issue is not one of whether or not private businesses will, or need to exist, but rather one of who has the actual power; the state, or capital?

      i think the problem is a bit more complex than that when it comes to the petty bourgeoisie, because they can't be seen on an individual basis

      it's one thing to point a gun at jack ma and nationalize the alibaba group; no one will care but him and a few investors, you create a mere political event which would actually be pretty easy to steer propaganda wise

      but expropriating the equivalent wealth from petty bourgeois elements? that's a political nightmare

      think stalin and the kulaks; yes, the bolsheviks had the weapons, the actual power, and as such they did manage to collectivize agriculture in the end, but it was a horrible process - most likely far worse than if he only had to expropriate a handful of landlords

      Also, have you got a source for those numbers, seems pretty nuts either way.

      it's from the oecd

      • Straight_Depth [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Not sure how the Kulak thing applies here; the kulaks were more than welcome to continue existing as a class right up until they refused to play their role as had been defined by the state by not only resisting collectivization, but by actively sabotaging that effort by deliberately destroying their harvests in the midst of a national emergency. Had the famine not occurred or had they cooperated during said famine, the kulaks would still have existed as a class. Thus, I feel, is what China is doing right now; their own kulaks are perfectly allowed to run as-is, but if a national emergency takes place that needs their productive forces, those means of production are getting the fuck seized, and god help you if you resist.

        • s0ykaf [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Thus, I feel, is what China is doing right now; their own kulaks are perfectly allowed to run as-is

          i agree

          i'm just saying they've created so many "kulaks" in the process that this part:

          if a national emergency takes place that needs their productive forces, those means of production are getting the fuck seized, and god help you if you resist.

          would be disastrous, just due to the sheer number of reactionaries they have now