Buddy have ya heard of this little thing called addiction?
Socrates' model leaves no room for a human psychology that is evolved instead of created. The truth is that people aren't in 100 percent control of their own brains and bodies. His (or rather Plato's) model also assumes that it's moral to follow the mandates of your society.
No, I think addicts are definitely doing what they think is right although it isnt in accordance with societal bourgeois law obviously. They mightve even started using as a rational response and defense mechanism to overwhelming pain, emotional or physical. I think socrates would probably encourage them to seek out self-knowledge and treatment if their addiction is preventing them from being their best, and I dont think he would dismiss them as morally weak or incapable of making that choice for what would probably be in accordance with good-living.
Obviously he wasnt perfect cause we have developed in terms of ethics in the intervening 2500 years, but I think he was still pretty right.
I think you're seriously underestimating the mindset gap between what Socrates, or any Greek citizen, believed about ethics and what we do. Even the famous stuff like the Crito reveals a completely alien notion of what the state is in peoples' lives. Furthermore, Plato, who actually wrote the character of Socrates, definitively didn't believe self government was best. He believed the poor and stupid should be ruled by a class of intelligent philosopher kings.
"His (or rather Plato’s) model also assumes that it’s moral to follow the mandates of your society." now it depends on what type of society but I can see that, like soviet psychiatrists did with sluggish schizophrenia
Buddy have ya heard of this little thing called addiction?
Socrates' model leaves no room for a human psychology that is evolved instead of created. The truth is that people aren't in 100 percent control of their own brains and bodies. His (or rather Plato's) model also assumes that it's moral to follow the mandates of your society.
No, I think addicts are definitely doing what they think is right although it isnt in accordance with societal bourgeois law obviously. They mightve even started using as a rational response and defense mechanism to overwhelming pain, emotional or physical. I think socrates would probably encourage them to seek out self-knowledge and treatment if their addiction is preventing them from being their best, and I dont think he would dismiss them as morally weak or incapable of making that choice for what would probably be in accordance with good-living.
Obviously he wasnt perfect cause we have developed in terms of ethics in the intervening 2500 years, but I think he was still pretty right.
I think you're seriously underestimating the mindset gap between what Socrates, or any Greek citizen, believed about ethics and what we do. Even the famous stuff like the Crito reveals a completely alien notion of what the state is in peoples' lives. Furthermore, Plato, who actually wrote the character of Socrates, definitively didn't believe self government was best. He believed the poor and stupid should be ruled by a class of intelligent philosopher kings.
"His (or rather Plato’s) model also assumes that it’s moral to follow the mandates of your society." now it depends on what type of society but I can see that, like soviet psychiatrists did with sluggish schizophrenia