and you can learn a lot from being a member of the global proletariat.

seriously, it's not that big of a deal. the people of Gaza are standing up cuz they have the shared experience of being oppressed by settler colonialism, those who benefit from colonization have zero incentive to oppose it.

  • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
    hexagon
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    9 months ago

    America has a big lumpen population for a developed nation thanks to late capitalism yes.

    It also has a massive PMC class that acts as a buffer to any radical activity. And even the actual workers still get a lot of nice treats to keep them pacified thanks to imperialism.

    • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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      9 months ago

      There is no such thing as "late capitalism." There is capitalism through various stages.

      The way the economy has changed since the 1980s? Everyone is poor and lives in dirt.

      "PMC"

      Just say petit-bourgeous or whatever; getting stuff from the New Left movements is kinda useless and redundant.

      " And even the actual workers still get a lot of nice treats to keep them pacified thanks to imperialism."

      So do Indian workers compared to the ones in the countryside.

      • privatized_sun [none/use name]
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        edit-2
        9 months ago

        There is no such thing as "late capitalism." There is capitalism through various stages.

        "Joe Biden isn't old, he's just human" good luck with that argument lol

        "PMC" Just say petit-bourgeous or whatever;

        Liz Warren voters have nice cars in the suburbs, but they don't really have any control over the means of production like a car dealership owner Trump voter

        So do Indian workers compared to the ones in the countryside.

        the imperial core/periphery exists both internationally and intranationally within a nation

        • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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          9 months ago

          I didn't say that it didn't.

          Liz Warren voters are mostly BIPOC people, but why are we talking about the electorate? Trump voters are petit-bourgeous, for example.

          Most Americans do not vote.

      • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
        hexagon
        ·
        9 months ago

        So do Indian workers compared to the ones in the countryside.

        Not enough that a redistribution of wealth wouldn't benefit them, unlike US PMCs

        • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Most wealth isn't redistributed among the poor, including the USA; most of USA is dirt-poor, especially if you go into rural countryside where the undocumented immigrants and field-hands are.

          Don't be fooled by "pristine suburbs" either; they're filled with debt servants.

          • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
            hexagon
            ·
            9 months ago

            The dirt poor in the US still have access to far better infrastructure than the rest of the world, public schools, paved roads, clean running water. Some of its starting to crumble, some of it costs more than it should, but its there. It's nothing like living in a fucking favela. You may go into horrible debt going there but most Americans do have a hospital within driving distance. Austerity is happening but it could be far far worth and part of the reason it isn't is cuz the capitalists are making such fat stacks off neocolonialism they don't mind throwing a couple bones to the PMC spawns.

            The average income in the US is about 57k, if all wealth in the world was divided equally everyone would make about 35-40k. So for many many Americans socialism would be a downgrade.

            • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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              9 months ago

              "but most Americans do have a hospital within driving distance"

              They do not

                • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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                  9 months ago

                  "Pew Research Center"

                  I don't know about using them as a source considering how they do their studies.

                  Anyway, keep in mind that the hospitals in rural America are of poor quality and are virtually denied to many undocumented immigrant communities.

                • D61 [any]
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                  9 months ago

                  The linear distance calculation between respondents and the list of hospitals is processed by using the Distance function from Django’s gis library. The Distance function takes the coordinates of each respondent’s address and the addresses of hospitals and returns distances that take into account the curvature of Earth. Researchers then select the hospital with the shortest linear distance to the respondent and use the Google Maps API to estimate driving time and driving distance and better reflect local travel patterns.

                  It looks like the methodology didn't ask respondents, "When you need to go to the emergency room at a hospital, where would you go?" and "How long would it take for you to drive there yourself?" The study took a respondent's address, the address of the closest hospital by straight line distance and then tried to figure out the drive time from there. Good thing insurance companies don't have "out of network" contingencies in their policies.

            • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]
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              9 months ago

              that average income figure is misleading. BLS is choosy about who does and doesn't count for the purposes of that, it doesn't include people who made $0, disabled people, kids, etc etc. But I'm assuming the 35-40k figure does include everyone

            • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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              9 months ago

              " Some of its starting to crumble"

              Even in the suburbs, a lot of it is crumbling.

            • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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              edit-2
              9 months ago

              They do not; most don't have Internet access in the rural areas and especially if you're a prisoner.

              And this is the Imperial core we're talking about; of course, it's going to be wealthier overall, but fact is, most wealth doesn't trickle down.

              Trickle-down economics don't work.

                • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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                  9 months ago

                  In the rural areas of Virginia, what counts as regular Internet access is different compared to suburbanites.

                  • D61 [any]
                    ·
                    9 months ago

                    And to add insult to injury, there's still chunks of places in the USA where cell service doesn't reach.