Hard mode, don't mention cars.

    • steve5487 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I live rural and I bike and walk frankly the only issue with it is the way people drive in rural areas.

        • steve5487 [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          I can't afford the rent of living in the city. I would call an ambulance if i need to go to the hospital it would cost the state like £20 in gasoline that's not a big deal.

          • deepcutsinsideme [she/her]
            hexagon
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            3 years ago

            How about the cost of maintaining the roads and powerlines and infrastructure to keep people like you living in a place no human should live. Leave the forest to nature.

            • steve5487 [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              people have lived where I live for thousands of years. they were still going to need to maintain the roads so people can travel between cities jackass and the local roads are maintained by the local government

              • deepcutsinsideme [she/her]
                hexagon
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                3 years ago

                TRAINS. Why should we make them stop for rural backwaters? Just move, it's the state's job to aid you in that.

                • steve5487 [none/use name]
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                  3 years ago

                  what's your issue with people in rural areas did you get everything you know about us from the film deliverance or something. stops in rural areas allow trains to changeover and adds redundancy in the system

                  • deepcutsinsideme [she/her]
                    hexagon
                    ·
                    3 years ago

                    Im from bumfuck west virginia, we had to drink untreated ground water, we burned our trash, I was homeschooled for a significant portion of my childhood. Stop romanticising rural living, raising a kid in those conditions is child abuse, that's why I don't think where you live should be a choice. Where I was I couldn't just take a train or a bus or a taxi, you had to own a car or a horse. And the horse thing has to do with the Amish who I hate with a passion and are no different from the Russian kulaks. Confiscate all their land, relocate the hill people to the city.

                    • steve5487 [none/use name]
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                      3 years ago

                      it sounds like you had a personal terrible experience growing up in poverty in a rural area and that's massively affecting how you think about the whole issue. I have to say though you get some pretty bad situations in urban areas too the issue is the poverty

                      • deepcutsinsideme [she/her]
                        hexagon
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                        3 years ago

                        And wouldn't it be easier to solve all those urban problems if EVERYONE had to live in an urban area? I'm not saying f urban living is cheap or close to nature or the apartments are very big but it's for the benefit of the collective why I support it. Because the only way human society can change is if we live in the same material conditions and that can only happen by destroying rural and suburban areas.

                        • silent_water [she/her]
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                          3 years ago

                          someone has to grow the food, maintain the railways and other infrastructure that passes between the cities, etc.. we can't all live in cities. like dense housing is good and I prefer city life but I also get why some people prefer the peace in the valleys and in the mountains.

                          • deepcutsinsideme [she/her]
                            hexagon
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                            3 years ago

                            They prefer it because they exhibit anti social behaviors, living outside a city is bad for your health. No emergency services nearby, it's isolation. It should be illegal to build a house in the boonies.

                            • silent_water [she/her]
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                              3 years ago

                              as it stands, living inside a city is also bad for your health and, again, not everyone can live in a city. cities have a wide footprint that support them - this will only get worse as global supply chains collapse and localities are forced to become more self-sufficient in the wake of climate change.

                              • deepcutsinsideme [she/her]
                                hexagon
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                                3 years ago

                                All human habitation has a footprint, it's best just to concentrate it into a single area than have it spread out. It's not that living in a city is bad for your health, it's from the fumes of vehicles. Take that out of the equation it's better.

                                • silent_water [she/her]
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                                  3 years ago

                                  the point is that large footprint requires people living outside the city to sustain it. "concentrating" it doesn't reduce the acreage required to grow the food to support the population living inside the city.

                                  • deepcutsinsideme [she/her]
                                    hexagon
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                                    3 years ago

                                    Yeah and it's bad cities require people outside of them to sustain them, they should be completely self sufficient and that requires increasing density and moving agriculture into urban areas. It would be significantly easier if we cut out farm animals and specific crops like sugar or coffee from people's diets.

                    • comi [he/him]
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                      3 years ago

                      I’m sorry you’ve had this experience :meow-hug:

                      But again, in realms of fantasy - it just doesn’t have to be this way. It’s easier to manage rural, eh, reactionary tendencies, then just wave a magic wand and burn the whole thing while completely redesigning agriculture.

    • chlooooooooooooo [she/her]
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      edit-2
      3 years ago

      as humans we harm nature when we live in it.

      definitely not true, not generally anyway. the modern, western-dominated form of human civilisation is absolutely harmful to the environment around us, views it as a resource to be exploited rather than a gift to be cherished. but humans haven't been living in such destructive ways for most of history, and there are still hundreds of millions of people around the world living in ways that not only don't harm the natural world, but actually support it in a symbiotic relationship.

      this is how indigenous peoples all across the world have lived for thousands of years, managing and supporting the environments that in turn support them in a sustainable and stable way, and it's why indigenous rights to exist and maintain their ways of life are wrapped up with ecological issues too. it's why all across the world they're the ones getting brutalised and killed by extractive western industry that encroaches on their land and consumes everything in its path. it is important to not project the flaws of western, capitalist lifestyles on to the whole human species.

      • p_sharikov [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        It's not just modern western civilization though. Mass extinctions occurred wherever prehistoric humans migrated, and indigenous peoples frequently used slash and burn techniques and other agricultural methods that are definitely not eco-friendly. Obviously their impact still pales in comparison to capitalism, and they had a much more spiritual relationship with nature than us alienated proles, but humans are still an invasive species in general.