Honor in the sense of "if I do good things I will be respected, if I do bad things people will be repulsed by my very presence, and this system makes me actually materially change my behavior for the better and not just be a hypocrite".

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The honor you're describing is why multi-billion dollar companies all have their own "charities" and spend so much money on PR. They want people to believe they do good things so they are respected.

    • carbohydra [des/pair]
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      3 years ago

      How would we describe honor without the social mediation? Is lying the core component?

      • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think honor is a little different that just wanting to appear good for social approval. I think that's part of honor, but not the whole thing. I'm not sure if lying is core, but presentation might be.

        But I'm not sure what definition I'd give.

        I know honor is something that's been academically studied by historians, sociologist, anthropologist etc but I havent read any of their research.

      • sagarmatha [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        honour is about respecting social conventions, that means that, unfortunately, it is usually conservative, however there is a real cost associated to it, it's not something easy to do, so I am not sure simple charity would describe it, I think we can say it's a relic form of collectivism, sacrificing individual needs or means for a collective benefit. If you're interested about practical applications, tribal justice in Yemen and in general the tribal system there is fascinating, don't get put off by the name, it has a lot of good ideas

    • Hortener [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      They get a tax deduction for it.

      Better to spend the money on something vaguely worthwhile than just hand it over to the government which will just waste it.