Sure mars ins beautiful. The universe contains wonders I'd love to experience. For humanity to venture into space and behold the oceans of europa with their own eyes... Truly marvelous.
But let's do that as comrades together after we deal with some shit here first. Don't let it just be a plaything for the rich goddamn.
Like, even just pure space travel and practical matters-wise we are so fucking far from reaching Mars to even just have a guy go walk around for five minutes and come back is impractical to a degree that's hard to imagine considering the sheer amount of logistics necessary. The checklist of things we'd need to be able to do and do safely and reliably is as long as CG credits in a marvel movie. That's not even getting into actually staying and living there. You would need to fully terraform mars into a functioning ecosystem that supports humans, if we can't even manage the one we were given this is clearly an absolutely impossible task until we can at least keep earth survivable before we try to make one from close to scratch. Until that point or during that process we're gonna do what? Strap enough resources to feed/shelter/hydrate/all thst several countries worth of people to rockets that will eat up a whole fuckload of our fuel supply? What fucking reason would someone living on earth have to do that? And unlike every other mutation of feudal patronage this could compare to, they're on a different fucking planet. I'm pretty sure there's only so long you can run your pathetic planet colony until they just cut you loose. It's dumb.
Not to be a super pedantic jackass, but we've absolutely had the tech to put a person on Mars for 5 minutes and bring them back since the 70s. The issues were justifying it to brain-addled congressmen who were perfectly satisfied that putting a guy on the moon meant that America had won the space race once and for all, and keeping people safely on Mars long enough to actually justify the long trip, scientifically speaking. We've been at the point where it just started being feasible in the late 90s/early 2000s to start building mission plans. We absolutely could have a mars base right now if governments had taken the MARPOST, Aurora, and Constellation programs seriously.
Yeah. Nasa has good rockets but not enough money, and for all we hate on musk, space x has actually good engineers, it's just run by a insane narcissist. China has good space tech too, and is definitely improving quickly on that front
I mean SpaceX only got where it is by poaching engineers and design concepts from NASA and ESA, and just straight copped a bunch of russian engines and retrofitted them.
You seem to know more about this than I do, but how practical and doable was it? Cause Mars is really really far away. Like I guess you could throw a lot of rocket fuel at the problem but at what point is the time spent travelling just cruel to the astronauts?
I mean, yeah, that's sort of been the issue for much of that time, that the amount of science they could do on a short jaunt of a few days or weeks doesn't justify the many months spent traveling there, though there is science that can be done in transit (though it's largely the same things that can be done in orbit around earth, anyways)
There are a number of different proposed methods of doing it, on different time scales, but I really dig the ideas proposed in Mars Direct , which could have even feasibly launched in the 2000s.
100%. There's value to be had in exploring the universe both manned and otherwise I think. But just going to Mars so a incredibly rich dude can look at some cliffs for 15 minutes is absolutely unacceptable considering the resource outlay needed as you said.
Sure mars ins beautiful. The universe contains wonders I'd love to experience. For humanity to venture into space and behold the oceans of europa with their own eyes... Truly marvelous.
But let's do that as comrades together after we deal with some shit here first. Don't let it just be a plaything for the rich goddamn.
Like, even just pure space travel and practical matters-wise we are so fucking far from reaching Mars to even just have a guy go walk around for five minutes and come back is impractical to a degree that's hard to imagine considering the sheer amount of logistics necessary. The checklist of things we'd need to be able to do and do safely and reliably is as long as CG credits in a marvel movie. That's not even getting into actually staying and living there. You would need to fully terraform mars into a functioning ecosystem that supports humans, if we can't even manage the one we were given this is clearly an absolutely impossible task until we can at least keep earth survivable before we try to make one from close to scratch. Until that point or during that process we're gonna do what? Strap enough resources to feed/shelter/hydrate/all thst several countries worth of people to rockets that will eat up a whole fuckload of our fuel supply? What fucking reason would someone living on earth have to do that? And unlike every other mutation of feudal patronage this could compare to, they're on a different fucking planet. I'm pretty sure there's only so long you can run your pathetic planet colony until they just cut you loose. It's dumb.
Not to be a super pedantic jackass, but we've absolutely had the tech to put a person on Mars for 5 minutes and bring them back since the 70s. The issues were justifying it to brain-addled congressmen who were perfectly satisfied that putting a guy on the moon meant that America had won the space race once and for all, and keeping people safely on Mars long enough to actually justify the long trip, scientifically speaking. We've been at the point where it just started being feasible in the late 90s/early 2000s to start building mission plans. We absolutely could have a mars base right now if governments had taken the MARPOST, Aurora, and Constellation programs seriously.
Yeah. Nasa has good rockets but not enough money, and for all we hate on musk, space x has actually good engineers, it's just run by a insane narcissist. China has good space tech too, and is definitely improving quickly on that front
I mean SpaceX only got where it is by poaching engineers and design concepts from NASA and ESA, and just straight copped a bunch of russian engines and retrofitted them.
You seem to know more about this than I do, but how practical and doable was it? Cause Mars is really really far away. Like I guess you could throw a lot of rocket fuel at the problem but at what point is the time spent travelling just cruel to the astronauts?
I mean, yeah, that's sort of been the issue for much of that time, that the amount of science they could do on a short jaunt of a few days or weeks doesn't justify the many months spent traveling there, though there is science that can be done in transit (though it's largely the same things that can be done in orbit around earth, anyways)
There are a number of different proposed methods of doing it, on different time scales, but I really dig the ideas proposed in Mars Direct , which could have even feasibly launched in the 2000s.
100%. There's value to be had in exploring the universe both manned and otherwise I think. But just going to Mars so a incredibly rich dude can look at some cliffs for 15 minutes is absolutely unacceptable considering the resource outlay needed as you said.
I have no interest in seeing Europa after seeing Europa Report (also the ocean in general is scary)