• Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    It's time for reading some Marx!

    On the Abolition of the State and Commodity exchange forms

    The "Withering of the State" quote doesn't really need a source, but Engles provides some clarification

    Marx and I, ever since 1845, have held the view that one of the final results of the future proletarian revolution will be the gradual dissolution and ultimate disappearance of that political organisation called the State; an organisation the main object of which has been to secure, by armed force, the economical subjection of the working majority to the wealthy minority. At the same time we have always held that in order to arrive at this and the other, far more important ends of the social revolution of the future, the proletarian class will first have to possess itself of the organised political force of the state and with this aid stamp out the resistance of the capitalist class and re-organise society. This is already stated in the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO of 1847, end of Chapter II.

    On Gender

    We consider the tendency of modern industry to make children and juvenile persons of both sexes co-operate in the great work of social production, as a progressive, sound and legitimate tendency, although under capital it is distorted into an abomination

    On the destruction of Capitalist Society

    See "Complete works of Karl Marx, 1846-Death"

    On Abolition of the Family

    Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

    On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

    The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

    Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

    Religion is the opium of the masses

    "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

    Yeah he's more sympathetic than the quote seems but he then goes on to attack religion so...not sure what they're going for here.

    Engles of course goes much harder on all of these. Read your Engles, it'll kill the Stupidpol in you.

    • MarxistHedonism [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      So what you’re saying is that Engles is another Marxoid saying stuff that Marx never said?

    • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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      3 years ago

      We consider the tendency of modern industry to make children and juvenile persons of both sexes co-operate in the great work of social production, as a progressive, sound and legitimate tendency, although under capital it is distorted into an abomination

      This seems to be more about child labor than gender. In particular, it reads a lot like it's saying that child labor is great when it's communist.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        The context of the quote was I believe in a passage about the gendered separation of labour...But yeah, it doesn't sound that way. Had a better quote but when I sourced it it was actually Engles writing to Marx.