The Korean anarchists had a perfectly good relationship with Mao until they got crushed by mutual enemies.
I think it would be perfectly fine for anarchists to do their thing next to the communist state. In a perfect world this relationship could theoretically be fine, the communist state wouldn't touch them as long as they're not a problem.
The issue that the anarchists will face however is that their stateless society will be used by capitalists as a weapon against the neighbouring communist state. Agitators and foreign wreckers would find it relatively easy to infiltrate them and stir shit.
And once things have been stirred they won't be reverseable. At that point the communist state would then be looking to resolve the situation, and things get messy.
I don't think there's an ideological problem between us until all the capitalists are gone, everywhere. But I do think there's a material problem in the scenario of an anarchist zone neighbouring a communist state. Both would have to work together VERY closely in order to prevent it and I'm not sure the anarchists would be that open to the kind of counter-revolutionary interventions needed to prevent that agitation. It's a very sticky problem.
Yeah this could work but I think you'd run into problems over what borders exist and what enforcement of those borders to the outside world (the capitalist one) would look like.
It seems like anarchist experiments can only exist when there is a superpower (USSR or mao) that backs them up and gives them room to grow. It wouldn't be a materially beneficial relationship, but it could help in the practical development of ideology
I don’t think there’s an ideological problem between us until all the capitalists are gone, everywhere.
When capitalism is finished, one can seriously work towards full communism, including the withering away of that state. It's when differences between anarchists and communists become increasingly smaller, not bigger. The problems have historically always arisen when outside pressure made working together difficult.
Not immediately it's not. The communist withering of the state is on the scale of decades to hundreds of years. Any anarchist leaning people living within communist states will want that to move along significantly faster.
The Korean anarchists had a perfectly good relationship with Mao until they got crushed by mutual enemies.
I think it would be perfectly fine for anarchists to do their thing next to the communist state. In a perfect world this relationship could theoretically be fine, the communist state wouldn't touch them as long as they're not a problem.
The issue that the anarchists will face however is that their stateless society will be used by capitalists as a weapon against the neighbouring communist state. Agitators and foreign wreckers would find it relatively easy to infiltrate them and stir shit.
And once things have been stirred they won't be reverseable. At that point the communist state would then be looking to resolve the situation, and things get messy.
I don't think there's an ideological problem between us until all the capitalists are gone, everywhere. But I do think there's a material problem in the scenario of an anarchist zone neighbouring a communist state. Both would have to work together VERY closely in order to prevent it and I'm not sure the anarchists would be that open to the kind of counter-revolutionary interventions needed to prevent that agitation. It's a very sticky problem.
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Yeah this could work but I think you'd run into problems over what borders exist and what enforcement of those borders to the outside world (the capitalist one) would look like.
That would be really nice of the communist state. does this automous commune do anything for the communist state?
It seems like anarchist experiments can only exist when there is a superpower (USSR or mao) that backs them up and gives them room to grow. It wouldn't be a materially beneficial relationship, but it could help in the practical development of ideology
Then you're just doing socialism in one state but calling it anarchism.
I mean, yes. I'm wondering if there are any counter examples
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I guess that's fine.
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if the state is as inherently oppressive as anarchists think that would amount to something like a native american reservation
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When capitalism is finished, one can seriously work towards full communism, including the withering away of that state. It's when differences between anarchists and communists become increasingly smaller, not bigger. The problems have historically always arisen when outside pressure made working together difficult.
Not immediately it's not. The communist withering of the state is on the scale of decades to hundreds of years. Any anarchist leaning people living within communist states will want that to move along significantly faster.