It's insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others.

  • Rom [he/him]
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    11 个月前

    Lowering the design speed of roads alone is never going to stop drivers in a hurry from driving dangerously fast

    Why wouldn't it? If drivers feel unsafe speeding down a road then they simply won't speed, rendering speed cameras unnecessary. If you see a speed bump ahead of you aren't you going slow down?

    • wopazoo [he/him]
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      11 个月前

      Speed cameras are applicable to all roads, from the 30 km/h residential street to the 140 km/h highway. Speed cameras are also self-funding and thus have a negative cost. Fines collected by speed cameras can be used to finance road redesign and traffic calming measures.

      • Scrollone@feddit.it
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        11 个月前

        It's not like that in every country. For example, speed cameras in Italy can't be placed in 30 km/h zones

      • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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        11 个月前

        They can also be used to kickback to the politician and the lobbyist who work for the company that profits from them.

        • wopazoo [he/him]
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          11 个月前

          Please explain to me where the money to redesign and rebuild like half the city's roads is going to come from if not from a transitional period of speed cameras.

          Say, why are you such a virulent opponent of speed cameras? Do you find yourself to be a chronic speeder?

            • wopazoo [he/him]
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              11 个月前

              Lol the absolute state of speed camera opposers

              If you don't drive, you have literally no reason to oppose speed cameras. Speed cameras reduce the negative externalities of cars at literally no cost to you. If you don't drive, you cannot get a speed ticket.

              Also, for the China fans out there, consider how the widespread implementation of automatic traffic enforcement cameras in China that do things from watching if you're speeding, to watching if you're driving in multiple lanes at once, to watching if you're wearing a seatbelt have massively improved driving conditions and reduced road chaos in China. Automatic traffic enforcement makes driving better.

              • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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                11 个月前

                Well yeah, because China is a functional country that wants to actually decrease traffic violations.

                The point of American cameras is to raise funds. That's why there's no immediate feedback for when you get a ticket. They don't want people to connect their driving to consequences, they want the consequences to be distant with no immediate impact.

                All it would take is for traffic cameras to flash drivers when they get a ticket. It'd be that easy. Yet it will never happen.

                • wopazoo [he/him]
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                  11 个月前

                  The widespread implementation of automatic traffic enforcement cameras in China objectively has decreased traffic violations. Compare driving in China in 2008 to 2024. It is a night and day difference.

                  I agree with your assessment about American traffic enforcement being more about collecting an informal tax than actually being about improving road safety (see: speed traps). In the UK (which this article is about), the speed cameras do flash (and thus provide immediate feedback).

                  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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                    11 个月前

                    Absolutely.

                    America does this thing where only some areas have cameras, creating huge dead zones with no camera enforcement. This is done to catch drivers off-guard so that more traffic tickets are given out. As I understand it, China just has cameras on every street because their goal is to decrease traffic violations and not just generate ticket revenue.

                    I still think my idea of traffic cameras flashing drivers when they get ticketed would be effective, but China has it figured out.

                    • wopazoo [he/him]
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                      11 个月前

                      As I understand it, China just has cameras on every street because their goal is to decrease traffic violations and not just generate ticket revenue.

                      This is correct. Traffic cameras are present on basically every street, and they are highly visible, preceded by a road sign, and your GPS audibly tells you about them. They also flash at you.

                      China also has a better implementation of red light cameras. Green lights start flashing a few seconds before they turn yellow, allowing you to either make it across the intersection or slow down in time.

                      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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                        11 个月前

                        Oh wow, warning flashes for green lights would be so helpful! There's an intersection on the way to work where I live that has a four way stop, but at highway speeds. You have to hit the brakes hard when the light turns yellow or you'll blow through when it turns red 😅

        • mondoman712@lemmy.ml
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          11 个月前

          The same can be said for anything that the government contracts out. Road building is another good example, and there's a lot more money to go around there than with speed cameras.

    • pingveno@lemmy.ml
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      11 个月前

      I was once passed by someone who was speeding along a narrow, windy road while I was following the speed limit. That entire length of road is a no passing zone. If they had passed slightly later, they would have had a head-on collision with another automobile that was coming the opposite direction. Some people will just do dumb things, no matter the road design.