(yeah i know leftbook is generally bad and no i didn't expect anything better but still)

Yes, employers should be paying delivery drivers way more instead of other working-class people making up the difference. Yes, the US system of tipping and the fact that service workers rely so heavily on tips is fucked up. No, that doesn't give you an excuse to not tip the person who's bringing you your treats.

Multiple people called this meme "ableist" and "classist" :agony-shivering: and even more are saying "delivery driving's way easier than making the food and sometimes they deliver it to the wrong place!!! so they don't deserve to be paid more!"!!

If your arguments sound exactly the same as a chud's, you are not a leftist, you are a propaganda mouthpiece for billionaires that would love to see you drop dead. Shut the actual fuck up you PMC radlib swine. /rant

  • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    It maybe be more expensive money wise, but it takes time (and transportation) to go out. I'm work from home, so I can genuinely see the benefit of me ordering food on company time, getting off work (or not), eating, and being free to do something I enjoy, rather than waiting to get off work just so I can drive somewhere and back. Cooking can also eat up time.

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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      3 years ago

      the key is whether or not you're paying the tip to make it worth the workers time

      if you make enough money that you can say shit like "well my time is more valuable" than you can afford to tip properly (impersonal you here)

      • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I wasn't justifying not tipping, but ordering food. Ordering already (nominally) pays for the cost of delivery. Judging poor people for using a system that benefits them, just because they "can't afford it" is the same justification libs use about iphones.

        And just to say, I'll be the first lib here to go to the :gui-better: for being "rich", so I tip and tip well/cash whenever I can. But I hate it and feel bad for anyone who can barely afford "nice" things in the first place, only to be expected to pay even more because of a fucked up system.

        • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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          3 years ago

          Ordering already (nominally) pays for the cost of delivery.

          are you american? It doesn't in america. In america you get a base pay of less than or up to 2 dollars to make the delivery the rest is your tips.

          tipping sucks its a bad system. But what the meme is railing against is some people order food and NOT pay any tip which actually ends up costing the worker money. So my original thing about the amount of money is, if you can't afford the tip at all, just go get your own food. If you can, then that's cool.

          • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            It doesn’t in america. In america you get a base pay of less than or up to 2 dollars to make the delivery the rest is your tips. What I meant is Doordash or w/e already charges you for delivery. They don't for pickup. Also, in America, the minimum wage is (legally, yes in practice it doesn't always apply) $2 if your tips don't cover the pay. Otherwise your boss owes you minimum wage. Looked it up and its higher in some states (some as low as $3, others on parity with non-tipped). So it makes even less sense for someone to tip in California (tip=no tip minimum), then in my home state Florida ($6.98$/hr).

            • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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              3 years ago

              just bc it charges for delivery doesn't mean more than 2 bucks is going to the employee. You got a lot of faith in tech bro companies

              Gig economy dont treat their workers as full employees in america, they've spent a LOT of money and energy lobbying to keep from being beholden to this. THE ENTIRE gig economy movement is first and foremost about undoing the weakest bit of pro-labor laws we have left from FDR's admin.

              There is ZERO justification for this. Tip or you dont get the treats, any mental gymnastics to justify this shit is justifying taking advantage of some of the most underpaid and marginalized workers in our system

              • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Oh I don't for a second believe any of the money I give to gig companies go to workers. But it should. But tipping is just subsidizing them not paying.

                And really? "Tip or you dont get the treats"? Guess poor people shouldn't interact with anything from Amazon to Debbie's Bookbarn since they all exploit workers and all contribute to jackboot politicians. Real :improve-society: vibes.

                • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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                  3 years ago

                  Except by not paying workers to personally deliver your treats you are directly taking part in exploiting them where in those examples its just their employers. With service workers your patronizing of them is the majority of their income and withholding that and going "ummmm well its not my fault they're actually coming out of pocket to deliver this burger to me" is not justification for it

                  In america we're subject to the tip system thats the bottom line. one should have solidarity with their fellow worker and help them at their job not take advantage of the system to get shit out of their fellow worker at their expense and bending over backwards looking for laws where employers should do one thing or another to justify not tipping, especially when you can go get it yourself as an alternative.

                  You got real "never worked for tips" vibes

                  • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    You got real “never worked for tips” vibes You got real "Poor people shouldn't have luxuries " vibes. Tipping should be abolished, and pretty easily can if people stop supporting it. But hey, clearly neither of us are going to change our minds at this point. I'll keep tipping, you keep tipping.

                    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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                      3 years ago

                      been poor my whole life have you? the point is if I am poor, and i'm getting paid to deliver shit, and some dumbass doesn't pay me to deliver it i'm gonna be pissed. And it's a shitty thing to do.

                      tipping should be abolished, but not paying them isn't some "vote with your dollar" shit whereby not "supporting it" is gonna fix it. What kind of smooth brained libshit is that? lmfao

                      I’ll keep tipping,

                      see that you do