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  • Grownbravy [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    But late on a lot of that, many family struggled over the last 100 years and couldnt maintain their farms, farmer nowadays lease their land, equipment, or both to what ever factory farm interests they could get, who under pay them for the most part to make their money back on rental fees and such.

    The idea of the farmer who own their land and equipment is drifting further and further from reality. So cant say for sure they can collectivize with all that

    • Bloobish [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I mean just seize the land and give it to the farmers in a better oriented collective agreement and that they don't have to worry about buffer crops or bad seasons leading to bankruptcy

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      That's actually ripe conditions for collectivization. The serfs didn't own land, the peasantry was mostly landless and operating under sharecropping leases. This is just the reintroduction of the old feudal property relations under capitalism. Relations that have shown again and again to serve as fertile ground for revolutionary movement.

      • Grownbravy [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        If there’s a spark, yes, but the serfs, funny enough wouldnt dream of hurting their lords to set themselves free

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The Chinese ones did. And when serfdom was abolished, the poor peasantry became revolutionary as their subsistence was no longer assured.

          • Grownbravy [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            It’s nice to see what the Chinese did, but we’re talking about America specifically, camel through a needle, etc, etc

            • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              The American sharecroppers were revolutionary. As industrial farming kills off the moderately comfortable position that many farmers had and proletarianizes them, they too will slip into a more revolutionary position.