I'm more thinking of Matthew 18:21-35, Matthew 20:20-28, and Matthew 24:36-51 which preach a kind of low-key liberalism and condemnation of hypocrisy, but otherwise endorse authoritarian hierarchy as normal and good.
The Old Testament was reactionary af. No denying that. But Jesus was a :LIB:
Y'all are just going to have to come to terms with that.
coming to terms with a 2,000 year old document which preaches mutual aid, caring for the poor, and judgment of those who persecute christians as a type of political system that will not exist for thousands of years
quoting an apocalyptic discourse describing the destruction of jerusalem and its temple, resulting in the deaths of thousands of jews and spread of christianity to gentiles as evidence of liberalism
a 2,000 year old document which preaches mutual aid, caring for the poor, and judgment of those who persecute christians
A 2,000 year old document which preached personal responsibility, denounced hypocrisy, and predicted a powerful authoritarian will set things right at some point long after you're dead.
The Second Coming is just a Theocrat's spin on Here's How Bernie Can Still Win.
of the religious upper classes yes, turns out its bad to be against healings on the sabbath and for taking the poor's money to build beautiful temples
predicted a powerful authoritarian will set things right at some point long after you’re dead
yes that justice will be served eventually, but in the meantime care for the poor, sell your belongings to feed the hungry, and do righteousness. this is not unique to christianity
i am begging you to read liberation theology or any work that isn't american evangelicalism bullshit
That's explicitly the call-out in these scriptures. Its your job to be charitable. Its your job not to be a hypocrite. If you want to stand at my Right Hand, it is your job to prove yourself worthy.
of the religious upper classes yes
These scriptures explicitly call out the servant class.
yes that justice will be served eventually, but in the meantime
In the meantime, you should do these things or you will be punished eventually.
i am begging you to read liberation theology or any work that isn’t american evangelicalism bullshit
It might as well be a different religion. Liberation Theology works as hard to scrap out all the right-wing crap from scripture as the Prosperity Gospel does to scrape out the left-wing bits.
But the core document - even if you just whittle it down to the Gospels - is still extremely :LIB:
It is, at its heart, about doing good in This Life so that you'll get a better deal in The Next Life. The Jesus of the Scriptures is not a Revolutionary.
That’s explicitly the call-out in these scriptures. Its your job to be charitable. Its your job not to be a hypocrite. If you want to stand at my Right Hand, it is your job to prove yourself worthy
you are reading these texts as a 21st century westerner. this is not how an ancient person would understand these texts. many of these texts are actually giving agency to those who have none and are demanding justice for those who abuse their power. if you would like some recommendation on social relationships in the ancient Mediterranean, i am happy to provide those for you
It might as well be a different religion. Liberation Theology works as hard to scrap out all the right-wing crap from scripture as the Prosperity Gospel does to scrape out the left-wing bits
liberation theology is a recovery of how to read the bible from below, which is how the gospels were originally written and how the early christians understood the text. most early christians were poor, many were homeless, many were enslaved. very few had apartments and those that did hosted churches that fed people and encouraged them to do good in their lives.
It is, at its heart, about doing good in This Life so that you’ll get a better deal in The Next Life. The Jesus of the Scriptures is not a Revolutionary.
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if that was jesus' message, he wouldn't have been murdered. christianity is not bound by your experience of american evangelicalism. if you are interested, i am happy to provide you with resources.
you are reading these texts as a 21st century westerner. this is not how an ancient person would understand these texts.
An ancient person wouldn't understand the texts because ancient people were largely illiterate. I'm interpreting them as the Romanized Papal state integrated them into what would eventually become feudal Europe. The scriptures justified the existence and perpetuation of the aristocratic class by enshrining the idea of Master and Servant in religious doctrine.
many of these texts are actually giving agency to those who have none and are demanding justice for those who abuse their power.
They're establishing a code of conduct that places Masters above Servants. This may have been intended metaphorically at the start, but it eventually became the rationale behind European aristocracy. Liberation Theocracy - in its modern form - emerged as a means of reconciling religious cultural roots with socialist revolutionary demands. Its the Liberationists who are using a 20th century western lens to interpret scriptures pruned by ancient aristocrats to exclude more radical ideas and attitudes.
liberation theology is a recovery of how to read the bible from below, which is how the gospels were originally written
The gospels were originally written a century or more after the oral history of Jesus had mutated into countless variations. Literature and History Podcast has a great break down of The Gnostic Texts which deviate profoundly from the codified Biblical Scriptures. Nevermind the rest of the Apocrypha which heads off in all sorts of directions, politically speaking.
Liberation Theology isn't any more a originalist interpretation of the scriptures than Mormonism. Its a movement that grew out of the churches of oppressed peoples seeking to hitch liberationist ideology to a theocratic movement that had been oppressive more often than liberating for centuries prior.
if that was jesus’ message, he wouldn’t have been murdered.
Jesus was murdered for building a religious movement in opposition to the Pharisees. The Pharisees, who were in tight with a Roman government that needed them to keep control of a restive population, called in the hit as a favor. But they didn't have to work particularly hard, because crucifying people was a Roman past time for centuries before and centuries after.
A century of persecution later, the early Christians were willing to suck up to the Roman government in order to avoid persecution. And the Romans were looking for a nice liberal theology to pacify a restive slave population prone to bloody revolt. Paul of Tarsus negotiated a middle ground between the two. And he was so successful that Christianity eventually became the Roman religion of choice for mass pacification.
The Romanized testaments that survive to the modern era are designed to present a liberal version of theology, then.
The goal of the Catholic Church and subsequent Protestant movements was to reform the Ancient World into one accepting of aristocratic governments. And the modern Bible exists as a tool to reinforced social norms consistent with that way of life. You can put certain spins or emphases on particular verses or parables in order to extract alternative messages, but at the end of the day this book has been curated to reinforce a liberal reformist self-deterministic social philosophy. And that's exactly what church organizations have pursued for the last five centuries, at the very least.
I'm more thinking of Matthew 18:21-35, Matthew 20:20-28, and Matthew 24:36-51 which preach a kind of low-key liberalism and condemnation of hypocrisy, but otherwise endorse authoritarian hierarchy as normal and good.
The Old Testament was reactionary af. No denying that. But Jesus was a :LIB:
Y'all are just going to have to come to terms with that.
ok buddy
A 2,000 year old document which preached personal responsibility, denounced hypocrisy, and predicted a powerful authoritarian will set things right at some point long after you're dead.
The Second Coming is just a Theocrat's spin on Here's How Bernie Can Still Win.
no, that's not a thing in the ancient world
of the religious upper classes yes, turns out its bad to be against healings on the sabbath and for taking the poor's money to build beautiful temples
yes that justice will be served eventually, but in the meantime care for the poor, sell your belongings to feed the hungry, and do righteousness. this is not unique to christianity
i am begging you to read liberation theology or any work that isn't american evangelicalism bullshit
That's explicitly the call-out in these scriptures. Its your job to be charitable. Its your job not to be a hypocrite. If you want to stand at my Right Hand, it is your job to prove yourself worthy.
These scriptures explicitly call out the servant class.
In the meantime, you should do these things or you will be punished eventually.
It might as well be a different religion. Liberation Theology works as hard to scrap out all the right-wing crap from scripture as the Prosperity Gospel does to scrape out the left-wing bits.
But the core document - even if you just whittle it down to the Gospels - is still extremely :LIB:
It is, at its heart, about doing good in This Life so that you'll get a better deal in The Next Life. The Jesus of the Scriptures is not a Revolutionary.
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you are reading these texts as a 21st century westerner. this is not how an ancient person would understand these texts. many of these texts are actually giving agency to those who have none and are demanding justice for those who abuse their power. if you would like some recommendation on social relationships in the ancient Mediterranean, i am happy to provide those for you
liberation theology is a recovery of how to read the bible from below, which is how the gospels were originally written and how the early christians understood the text. most early christians were poor, many were homeless, many were enslaved. very few had apartments and those that did hosted churches that fed people and encouraged them to do good in their lives.
:bugs-no:
if that was jesus' message, he wouldn't have been murdered. christianity is not bound by your experience of american evangelicalism. if you are interested, i am happy to provide you with resources.
An ancient person wouldn't understand the texts because ancient people were largely illiterate. I'm interpreting them as the Romanized Papal state integrated them into what would eventually become feudal Europe. The scriptures justified the existence and perpetuation of the aristocratic class by enshrining the idea of Master and Servant in religious doctrine.
They're establishing a code of conduct that places Masters above Servants. This may have been intended metaphorically at the start, but it eventually became the rationale behind European aristocracy. Liberation Theocracy - in its modern form - emerged as a means of reconciling religious cultural roots with socialist revolutionary demands. Its the Liberationists who are using a 20th century western lens to interpret scriptures pruned by ancient aristocrats to exclude more radical ideas and attitudes.
The gospels were originally written a century or more after the oral history of Jesus had mutated into countless variations. Literature and History Podcast has a great break down of The Gnostic Texts which deviate profoundly from the codified Biblical Scriptures. Nevermind the rest of the Apocrypha which heads off in all sorts of directions, politically speaking.
Liberation Theology isn't any more a originalist interpretation of the scriptures than Mormonism. Its a movement that grew out of the churches of oppressed peoples seeking to hitch liberationist ideology to a theocratic movement that had been oppressive more often than liberating for centuries prior.
Jesus was murdered for building a religious movement in opposition to the Pharisees. The Pharisees, who were in tight with a Roman government that needed them to keep control of a restive population, called in the hit as a favor. But they didn't have to work particularly hard, because crucifying people was a Roman past time for centuries before and centuries after.
A century of persecution later, the early Christians were willing to suck up to the Roman government in order to avoid persecution. And the Romans were looking for a nice liberal theology to pacify a restive slave population prone to bloody revolt. Paul of Tarsus negotiated a middle ground between the two. And he was so successful that Christianity eventually became the Roman religion of choice for mass pacification.
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The Romanized testaments that survive to the modern era are designed to present a liberal version of theology, then.
The goal of the Catholic Church and subsequent Protestant movements was to reform the Ancient World into one accepting of aristocratic governments. And the modern Bible exists as a tool to reinforced social norms consistent with that way of life. You can put certain spins or emphases on particular verses or parables in order to extract alternative messages, but at the end of the day this book has been curated to reinforce a liberal reformist self-deterministic social philosophy. And that's exactly what church organizations have pursued for the last five centuries, at the very least.
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