Ukrainian official tells CNN Biden's call with Ukrainian President 'did not go well' but White House disputes account
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A call between US President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday "did not go well," a senior Ukrainian official told CNN, amid disagreements over the "risk levels" of a Russian attack.

Biden can't even warmonger properly lmao. Looks like Zelensky and Ukraine could be turning away from US and opening up some diplomatic channels with Russia.

US tried so hard to make this into a war but everyone seems to be getting sick of their sundowning ramblings.

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Yes. They're getting high off of their own supply. In the 60s and 70s, when the CIA could actually do things competently, the propaganda they pushed was about how evil the Soviet Union is and it's a dictatorship blah blah blah but if you read their internal memos they all knew that was a lie, and could operate with the worldview that was more similar to reality rather than the lies. Nowadays, many of the operatives buy the lies that were pushed in the 60s, the whole government apparatus believes the lies, and it's very difficult to operate competently in the world when everything you believe about it is a useful piece of American propaganda and nothing more. Combine that with the hereditary nature of American inequality, legacy admissions to universities, etc, and the entire bureaucracy of the State Department and others are filled with grade-inflated failsons who are only there by nature of birth and not ability, and that goes a long way to explaining the recent American lack of competence.

    • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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      3 years ago

      In the 60s and 70s, when the CIA could actually do things competently

      Not really, the CIA was just a bunch of rich failkids back then too. They fucked up Bay of Pigs. They never got Castro. Most of the "wins" the Deep State got back then were just the result of the US's sheer dominance post-WW2, and even then they were just bullying weaker states in their "wins". Now that that's gone, the rot is being exposed.

      • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        The CIA absolutely was rich failkids back then too but they didn't buy their own supply and they did catch quite a few wins. Iran, Chile, Zaire, Guatemala, Indonesia, etc. And lots of other smaller operations worldwide. Haven't done much in recent years besides get their entire spy network wiped out in China, though.

        • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Haven’t done much in recent years besides get their entire spy network wiped out in China, though.

          Did they died?

          spoiler

          :sicko-blur:

          • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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            3 years ago

            Yes. :sicko-crowd: :xi-reactionary-spotted: :xi-gun:

            The Chinese government systematically dismantled C.I.A. spying operations in the country starting in 2010, killing or imprisoning more than a dozen sources over two years and crippling intelligence gathering there for years afterward.

            Current and former American officials described the intelligence breach as one of the worst in decades. It set off a scramble in Washington’s intelligence and law enforcement agencies to contain the fallout, but investigators were bitterly divided over the cause. Some were convinced that a mole within the C.I.A. had betrayed the United States. Others believed that the Chinese had hacked the covert system the C.I.A. used to communicate with its foreign sources. Years later, that debate remains unresolved.

            But there was no disagreement about the damage. From the final weeks of 2010 through the end of 2012, according to former American officials, the Chinese killed at least a dozen of the C.I.A.’s sources. According to three of the officials, one was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — a message to others who might have been working for the C.I.A.

            Still others were put in jail. All told, the Chinese killed or imprisoned 18 to 20 of the C.I.A.’s sources in China, according to two former senior American officials, effectively unraveling a network that had taken years to build.

            • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              According to three of the officials, one was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — a message to others who might have been working for the C.I.A.

              Red fash moment :sicko-beaming:

              • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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                3 years ago

                Fascism is when you execute spies with guns. Democracy is when you execute spies with lethal injections. :very-intelligent:

    • captcha [any]
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      3 years ago

      There's some actual discreet events where ideological narrative overtook factual observation. HW and Team B taking over the CIA would be the marker of that. However it now seems like honest "liberal" imperialists are in charge now and are realizing they can't do shit because it never worked like they imagined.