:shrug-outta-hecks: I enjoyed my read of How to Philosophize with a Hammer and Sickle
not saying this jacobin thing is gonna be any good, but also it's not like this hasn't been done before lol
also, just wanna say: blanket labeling Nietzsche as the Nazi's philosopher without investigation is really just submitting to and affirming their instrumentalization of him, without critical engagement with the work (and how it has been, historically, misappropriated by opportunists). Still, there's plenty of interesting stuff to salvage from him imo
As usual for this website, people here are reading a title (and nothing else), assuming they know what's being said, and then jumping over each other to make the most outraged reaction. Anybody who knows about the book or the person who wrote it knows it is not at all a celebration of Nietzsche or a fond comparison of him with Marx. Even the article says as much openly.
Agree completely with your last paragraph.
I read a tweet not a title thank you very much. A dumbass tweet that's for sure.
yeah, if you wanna call a philosopher a nazi Heidegger is right there
I absolutely hated Nietzsche for longest time because of the association with the third Reich and modern day fascists until I had an English professor who had done a translation of Twilight of the Idols. Neitzsche actually does make some sense, when interpreted correctly, or at least differently than fascists do.
The experience of reading Nietzsche is totally different from the experience of reading about Nietzsche. I honestly don't think I've seen a single good take on him.
Lenin and Stalin were actually existing Übermensch
Communists embody the Nietzschean affirmation of life
Reactionaries are the proponents of slave morality
Liberals and lifestylists are archetypical last men
German nationalists were BTFO by Nietzsche
:gigachad-hd:
Reactionaries are the proponents of slave morality
Based, redpilled, based again. Id include liberals within that category too.
Haha yeah combine a vague idea of the word """socialism""" with a tortured reading of nietzsche, what could go wrong?
:no-fash: :pit:
yeah I was gonna say this is basically a thousand plateaus in a nutshell.
foucault and derrida are also basically this.
relevant contrasting examination of Marx and Nietzsche: Really Existing Fascism
I'd say more Camus and some of the Situationists take more from him.
I always pronounced Nietzsche as Nazi because of the kind of people who love his ideas.
None. I don't have to read his work to know that Nazis love him.
I did watch a documentary about him and it didn't exactly paint a good picture.
I didn't ask for your toxicity either. If you're going to get this worked up about criticism of a philosopher's fanbase I think that says more about you than it does about me.
Came here to say this. Not a particularly big fan of his (though I enjoyed Beyond Good and Evil tremendously), but Nietzsche was manifestly not a Nazi himself. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with his work could tell you that he would have hated them. It's bizarre that people are freaking out at you so hard over this point.
I don't know what you think you're accomplishing with this but I can tell you that it sure as hell isn't working. Like cool, I'm going to lash out with ableism over criticism of my favorite person. That'll convince em.
I would place Nietzsche in a class with Julius Evola and Ernst Jünger (a real life "übermench" if there ever was one) - purestrain "reactionaries" who thought actual fascists were too cringe and infected by modernity and "commoners", and wanted to go back to the Bronze Age more or less.
All of that would be a great argument if that's what this conversation was about. I said that Freddy Nazi had a following of fascists and then you blew up about how "no he's not a bad guy!!" Shit, I never said he was bad.
isnt he one of the french pedo philosophers? or am i thinking of sartre?
I mean, he was kind of an incel, but he's better than the impression he often gets as "Ayn Rand but poetic". He has some nice ideas that are useful if you want to ease yourself into understanding mysticism or are trying to work your way up the idealists to Hegel and Heidegger (who was actually a nazi).
Still not super useful as part of a political education though
