:shrug-outta-hecks: I enjoyed my read of How to Philosophize with a Hammer and Sickle
not saying this jacobin thing is gonna be any good, but also it's not like this hasn't been done before lol
also, just wanna say: blanket labeling Nietzsche as the Nazi's philosopher without investigation is really just submitting to and affirming their instrumentalization of him, without critical engagement with the work (and how it has been, historically, misappropriated by opportunists). Still, there's plenty of interesting stuff to salvage from him imo
As usual for this website, people here are reading a title (and nothing else), assuming they know what's being said, and then jumping over each other to make the most outraged reaction. Anybody who knows about the book or the person who wrote it knows it is not at all a celebration of Nietzsche or a fond comparison of him with Marx. Even the article says as much openly.
Agree completely with your last paragraph.
I read a tweet not a title thank you very much. A dumbass tweet that's for sure.
yeah, if you wanna call a philosopher a nazi Heidegger is right there
I absolutely hated Nietzsche for longest time because of the association with the third Reich and modern day fascists until I had an English professor who had done a translation of Twilight of the Idols. Neitzsche actually does make some sense, when interpreted correctly, or at least differently than fascists do.
The experience of reading Nietzsche is totally different from the experience of reading about Nietzsche. I honestly don't think I've seen a single good take on him.
Lenin and Stalin were actually existing Übermensch
Communists embody the Nietzschean affirmation of life
Reactionaries are the proponents of slave morality
Liberals and lifestylists are archetypical last men
German nationalists were BTFO by Nietzsche
:gigachad-hd:
Reactionaries are the proponents of slave morality
Based, redpilled, based again. Id include liberals within that category too.
Haha yeah combine a vague idea of the word """socialism""" with a tortured reading of nietzsche, what could go wrong?
:no-fash: :pit:
yeah I was gonna say this is basically a thousand plateaus in a nutshell.
foucault and derrida are also basically this.
relevant contrasting examination of Marx and Nietzsche: Really Existing Fascism
I'd say more Camus and some of the Situationists take more from him.
I always pronounced Nietzsche as Nazi because of the kind of people who love his ideas.
None. I don't have to read his work to know that Nazis love him.
I did watch a documentary about him and it didn't exactly paint a good picture.
I didn't ask for your toxicity either. If you're going to get this worked up about criticism of a philosopher's fanbase I think that says more about you than it does about me.
Came here to say this. Not a particularly big fan of his (though I enjoyed Beyond Good and Evil tremendously), but Nietzsche was manifestly not a Nazi himself. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with his work could tell you that he would have hated them. It's bizarre that people are freaking out at you so hard over this point.
I don't know what you think you're accomplishing with this but I can tell you that it sure as hell isn't working. Like cool, I'm going to lash out with ableism over criticism of my favorite person. That'll convince em.
I would place Nietzsche in a class with Julius Evola and Ernst Jünger (a real life "übermench" if there ever was one) - purestrain "reactionaries" who thought actual fascists were too cringe and infected by modernity and "commoners", and wanted to go back to the Bronze Age more or less.
All of that would be a great argument if that's what this conversation was about. I said that Freddy Nazi had a following of fascists and then you blew up about how "no he's not a bad guy!!" Shit, I never said he was bad.
I fucking loathe the fact you can't make a point about someone without it being interpreted as throwing accusations. It's like when people were calling out Vaush for his pro-pedophile takes and he goes out and says "They're calling me a pedophile" which as we later found out was because he actually was and was just getting defensive over it. He has a Nazi following, that's all I was saying. Why do you have to make that such a big deal?
I literally can't even. Westzoids simply can't take criticism at face value. It always has to be some grand conspiracy to take down their favorite hero. What should have been a throwaway joke is now a debate. Jesus Christ.
Ugh enough. I'm done. You go jerk off to Fredrick Nazi and I'm going to continue to call him that. I care about movements as they relate to today, not dead people who inspire fascists.
If you want a name for him, call him NEETzsche
puts down popcorn
It speak volumes of the fundametal inferiority of the Americanoid phenotype when, at the base level, all you have rattling around in the (otherwise empty) deepest parts of your psyche are "unemployed person bad", "weak person bad", and "person-job=trash". I am slowly starting to see why third worldists have a point, you fucking barbarians truly have no sense of human worth or compassion, even among the most based of you. Absolutely dissappointing.
Honestly, if I were into debates at all, I would lock you and @Skoubalon into a chat together and watch you guys duke it out rhetorically for like a week. This has got to be the 3rd time this shit has come up in like 2 days.
It's meaningless sophistry. I don't care and neither should you.
Excuse me, Nietzche made several scathingly based critiques of the Christian morality underpinning capitalism, fundamentally important to understanding the superstructure. The person you are arguing with clearly stated with good arguments that although Nietzche himself was not a Nazi (nationalist genocidal subhuman trash), he was reactionary in other ways, for example, his conception of women.
Nazis only like him because they misinterpreted his works, modern day Nazis like him for the same reason. In fact, they are fully emmeshed in the very religious tendencies he critiques.
The amount of defensiveness on display is slowly turning my opinion towards him in that direction. No group is this passionate about a throwaway line unless you're hitting an exposed nerve.
Couldn't possibly be a reaction to my behavior. I must have uncovered a deeptruth the snowflakes can't handle
You're the one going through the thread looking for things to angry-post on. Quit projecting.
Even if it wasn't, "You mad bro" is something an internet fascist would say, just saying.
People are laughing at you in here because you're a grating combination of ignorant and overly confident in your position. How about about being humble enough to try to listen to what others in this thread have taught you about his life or even just read the wikipedia article of it.
it's always the same 3 people who act like they're the monolith who speaks for everyone. I've already moved on from this trash fire of a thread and have no intention on coming back, and I don't appreciate you trying to throw gasoline on the embers that burned out over an hour ago.
Like I said, you could show some humility, or you can keep moralizing your ignorance. I don't really care, in fact, I'll just mute replies to this. I just wanted to let you know that you come across as arrogant and childish from someone who's familiar with the topic and read through this exchange, but that it's easy to remedy this position with maybe 5 minutes of reading.
How about you fuck off? You are participating in the same trolling techniques as the Nazis I fight on a day to day basis. Pardon me for not making a distinction. I don't want to get the mods involved but this is getting old.
isnt he one of the french pedo philosophers? or am i thinking of sartre?
I mean, he was kind of an incel, but he's better than the impression he often gets as "Ayn Rand but poetic". He has some nice ideas that are useful if you want to ease yourself into understanding mysticism or are trying to work your way up the idealists to Hegel and Heidegger (who was actually a nazi).
Still not super useful as part of a political education though
:so-true: I KNOW THE PERFECT HUMAN TO LEAD HUMANS TO A BETTER SOCIALISM! HE IS SO SMART THAT HE SAID THAT MARX WAS A CAPITALIST, BECAUSE HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT CAPITAL! :melon-musk:
