Whatever side lets them justify another holocaust in a particular argument. I’ve seen antisemites flip around on that because they are not logically consistent with their arguments. That’s part of why it’s a huge “do not entertain this question” topic.
whiteness is a made-up concept in the first place, and one that is mostly used by anglo racists. being "logically consistent on whiteness" is like being logically consistent on geocentrism. maybe it's possible, but i honestly don't give a fuck.
there's a lot of people that are at least sometimes recognized as white, yet have been historically subjected to systematic genocidal exterminaton campaigns. jews are one example, slavs are another, a lot of middle eastern people also count as white yet are one of the most villified groups in europe atm.
what whiteness means is completely different in the US, in europe, in brazil etc. etc.
One time an Indian friend referred to himself as a "white guy" and I was so confused. I thought it was one of those situations where maybe whiteness means different things in different cultures, but then he said he just forgot he was Indian for a second. Whiteness is so fucking dumb.
Long story short, his parents treated him really poorly compared to his golden boy brother and rejecting their culture was his way of rebelling. On top of that, this was in the early 2000s which was a really unfortunate time to be that particular shade of brown in America. Add in an obsession with escapist media, most of which starred white guys, and you get my buddy. Luckily, he has mostly dealt with the internalized racism after some therapy and talking through these issues.
i would agree with you, in that case, that the answer to the question doesn't matter, and i don't think the content of Gray's podcast is an argument that it does.
Whatever side lets them justify another holocaust in a particular argument. I’ve seen antisemites flip around on that because they are not logically consistent with their arguments. That’s part of why it’s a huge “do not entertain this question” topic.
whiteness is a made-up concept in the first place, and one that is mostly used by anglo racists. being "logically consistent on whiteness" is like being logically consistent on geocentrism. maybe it's possible, but i honestly don't give a fuck.
there's a lot of people that are at least sometimes recognized as white, yet have been historically subjected to systematic genocidal exterminaton campaigns. jews are one example, slavs are another, a lot of middle eastern people also count as white yet are one of the most villified groups in europe atm.
what whiteness means is completely different in the US, in europe, in brazil etc. etc.
these are all aspects to keep in mind here.
One time an Indian friend referred to himself as a "white guy" and I was so confused. I thought it was one of those situations where maybe whiteness means different things in different cultures, but then he said he just forgot he was Indian for a second. Whiteness is so fucking dumb.
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Long story short, his parents treated him really poorly compared to his golden boy brother and rejecting their culture was his way of rebelling. On top of that, this was in the early 2000s which was a really unfortunate time to be that particular shade of brown in America. Add in an obsession with escapist media, most of which starred white guys, and you get my buddy. Luckily, he has mostly dealt with the internalized racism after some therapy and talking through these issues.
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i would agree with you, in that case, that the answer to the question doesn't matter, and i don't think the content of Gray's podcast is an argument that it does.