I'll start with the Eastern Roman Empire and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. What are some other extremely 'Reddit' countries?

  • ultraviolet [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Qing Empire and Republic of China (1912-1949) cuz le epic troll the CCP. I doubt any of them know the intricate histories of these states beyond what you get from HOI IV

    • dinklesplein [any, he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      Yeah, if you ask most Chinese people who are educated on their History, most people consider the Qing one of the worst dynasties because they really failed to resist imperialism or create a state capable of doing so. I've heard it argued that that's because of le Chinese racism against Manchurians, but given the Qing's track record I really think it's a perfectly reasonable view given that the European powers didn't even really plan on colonising China until like the mid-late 19th Century, giving them ample time to just not shit the bed and get China back on track. This isn't to say that they didn't try, just that their government structures didn't really allow for the comprehensive changes needed to really transform China into the state it needed to be. Even the Ming could have been better suited to it, paralyzed by eunuch bureaucrats at the end as they were - at least they had the administrative infrastructure needed to carry it out.