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    • thisismyrealname [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      sanctions are economic warfare and do almost nothing besides harm the working class of the country they're inflicted on. i'm very disappointed to see anyone defending them on this website

        • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          That's the problem. Sanctions come from the idea of "we have to do something." War is bad for the working class. Sanctions are also bad for the working class. The question is: will sanctions meaningfully prevent war in any way or will it just hurt the citizens of Russia, who were not the ones to invade Ukraine. Sanctions usually don't accomplish that, they are a negotiating tool for the US. "Well if you make this compromise, I'll start letting insulin come into to your country."

            • StuporTrooper [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              No, because that would ultimately end up harming Palestinian people the most. That's what I'm saying, sanctions always hurt the most economically vulnerable.

              • Trace
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                1 year ago

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            • itsPina [he/him, she/her]
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              3 years ago

              easiest way to think about it is Putin was in power in 2014 and the sanctions placed around then completely plummeted the value of the ruble yet Putin is still in power 8 years later. Putin, nor any of the elite of Russia, do not give a shit about the value of the ruble because that isn't what keeps them in power. The only people actually hurt by the ruble dropping in value was the Russian citizens.

        • thisismyrealname [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          i'm not talking about the actions of the Russian state, i'm saying it is not the U.S.'s business to respond. anything the U.S. would do is not going to improve the situation for either the Ukranian or Russian working class, and would almost certainly make it far worse.

          you cannot convince me that sanctions are anything but an attack on the working class of their target nation. the lives of millions of people governed by states distasteful to the State Department have been measurably harmed by sanctions

                • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  Sanctions are economic penalties taken against a country or person, preventing the use of banking systems, trade, access to necessary resources, or other things. Countries will always prioritize resources going to their elite, and deprioritize resources going to the group's they oppress the most, so the only people affected by sanctions will be the most vulnerable classes of people.

    • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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      3 years ago

      Stay out. It's none of our business to begin with, and the US basically forced Russia's hand by refusing to talk about the Minsk accords, refusing to provide guarantees that Ukraine would stay out of NATO, and continuing to support the thugs running Ukraine who have engaged in a cleanse against Russian speakers in the east since Maidan.

      The US fucked around, whether out of hubris, misreading, or genuine stupidity, and now they're finding out.

    • TheModerateTankie [any]
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      3 years ago

      Was there ever a time when wars ended and nations, previously at war, normalized relations? Seems like that was a thing.