How are they doing that? Unless I misread something didn’t they condemn in this statement the war as an act of Imperialism but acknowledge that Russian recognition of the Donbass republics will help the working class there from Nazi reprisals?
i'm attempting at being facetious, as there is a vocal contingent here that apparently believes that any voiced opinion that isn't a full throated condemnation of the incursion is carrying water for putin, and that those who voice such an opinion aren't being comrades.
i think w the many contradictions being presented in the situation a lot of people tend to get confused following their intuition, and i wouldnt say that intuition is necessarily wrong. the situation just requires more formal analysis than intuition.
the principal contradiction here is that the working class of ukraine IS constantly suffering casualties under total hostility from the agitation of tensions increased by domestic and foreign bourgeois.
the non principal contradiction of the imperialist nature of russia's invasion is also true.
the issue imo is that emphasis on the principal contradiction is the most important thing we can do. imperialist tensions on all sides are killing the citizens forced to hold the burden of these power grabs. i thought it was a really good analysis that comrades should see.
"As long as Russia’s armed intervention helps to save people in the Donbass from reprisals by the punishers, we will not oppose this goal. Among other things, we consider it acceptable if, due to circumstances, we have to use force against the fascist Kiev regime, insofar as it would be in the interests of the working people.
This, of course, does not exclude the possibility that Russia’s military campaign of aid to Donbass, led by the anti-Soviet Putin, could escalate into a truly fully invasive war, when under the pretext of aid to Donbass, the Russian authorities would begin to solve their own issues, and the troops would simply start occupying other regions of Ukraine. We will consider this a war of aggression, an imperialist war, and we will not support either imperialist. It is not the gentlemen but the workers who will die on both sides in any case. To die for one’s class brothers is honorable. But to die and kill for the interests of the masters is stupid, criminal, and unacceptable."
appreciate the thorough post. i was just making a smartass comment, directed at particular poster below. i think i agree with you and their party line -- i hope this can be finished swiftly and with minimal bloodshed and a workable peace, non-pushing peace can be administered.
i can't believe these ""comrades"" are "carrying water" for putin smdh.
How are they doing that? Unless I misread something didn’t they condemn in this statement the war as an act of Imperialism but acknowledge that Russian recognition of the Donbass republics will help the working class there from Nazi reprisals?
i'm attempting at being facetious, as there is a vocal contingent here that apparently believes that any voiced opinion that isn't a full throated condemnation of the incursion is carrying water for putin, and that those who voice such an opinion aren't being comrades.
i think w the many contradictions being presented in the situation a lot of people tend to get confused following their intuition, and i wouldnt say that intuition is necessarily wrong. the situation just requires more formal analysis than intuition.
the principal contradiction here is that the working class of ukraine IS constantly suffering casualties under total hostility from the agitation of tensions increased by domestic and foreign bourgeois.
the non principal contradiction of the imperialist nature of russia's invasion is also true.
the issue imo is that emphasis on the principal contradiction is the most important thing we can do. imperialist tensions on all sides are killing the citizens forced to hold the burden of these power grabs. i thought it was a really good analysis that comrades should see.
"As long as Russia’s armed intervention helps to save people in the Donbass from reprisals by the punishers, we will not oppose this goal. Among other things, we consider it acceptable if, due to circumstances, we have to use force against the fascist Kiev regime, insofar as it would be in the interests of the working people.
This, of course, does not exclude the possibility that Russia’s military campaign of aid to Donbass, led by the anti-Soviet Putin, could escalate into a truly fully invasive war, when under the pretext of aid to Donbass, the Russian authorities would begin to solve their own issues, and the troops would simply start occupying other regions of Ukraine. We will consider this a war of aggression, an imperialist war, and we will not support either imperialist. It is not the gentlemen but the workers who will die on both sides in any case. To die for one’s class brothers is honorable. But to die and kill for the interests of the masters is stupid, criminal, and unacceptable."
appreciate the thorough post. i was just making a smartass comment, directed at particular poster below. i think i agree with you and their party line -- i hope this can be finished swiftly and with minimal bloodshed and a workable peace, non-pushing peace can be administered.
yea i figured haha but thought it brought up a interesting conversation to be had