Being told this is fairly reliable for info on the situation in Ukraine. let me know if it isn’t. https://liveuamap.com/

  • theother2020 [comrade/them, she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Good points. Check out this comment too (by riley) which looks at things materially: https://hexbear.net/post/176544/comment/2184998

    • BigBabyPrilepin [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      The post you linked is just more infuriating than the previous one. What's materialist in it? Riley just cites the things that are perceived as good for the working class, but I guess the working class doesn't actually include people in Russia and people in Ukraine. See, this is why online discourse is putrid, wretched and villainous. For you, for Americans, its just geopolitical games where we can support a fascist as long as he contributes to "multipolar world" and does a couple of good things on the side. Materialist analysis of what Putin actually tries to achieve by sending people to die in Ukraine? In this particular situation? Doesn't matter. Putin owns Nazis! We will believe him at his word when he says that there's a genocide of ethnic minorities and shelling of Donbass because he forgave Cuba's debt. Disgusting.

      It's a capitalist vs capitalist dogfight. GZD posters are promoting a capitalist war. I could understand if you were defending China, an actual socialist government. I could understand if western leftists were saying "I understand that Putin had his reasons, but any kind of war is unacceptable". This Riley person and GZD are straight cheering on capitalists! Working class of Russia and Ukraine should be in your minds, how people suffer from the consequences of capitalist squabbles, how they die and go hungry. It's unbelievable to me that saying "no war but class war" is this hard for leftists.

      And I didn't even touch any nationalist stuff that Putin said in his 1 hour speech, but never mind that. Putin apologists are disgusting and pathetic as it is.