I think the idea of hell is completely irreconcilable with the concept of a loving God. Likewise the concept of sin itself is irreconcilable with the idea that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and fundamentally good. In order for him to have created a universe in which sin can exist he must not be at least one of those things
The Jewish idea of hell is the absence of God, most of the Christian idea of hell comes directly from Jesus and is explicitly a place of fire that you are cast into eternally
Arguably Jesus was linked to a tradition within Judaism that went exist, what's left is not what existed 2000 years ago, and even what existed two thousand years ago was influenced by the zoroastrians and the greeks. (We can go into sheol vs gehenna, the talmudic hell etc later) Also i stan the book of enoch, homie.
Sorry, I should have clarified that it comes directly from Jesus as written in the new testament; with all the translation, curation, and political baggage that comes with that
It's just, why would you make beings that you know, with all specificity are going to do the things that you will punish them with the worst possible thing imaginable for and then let them do it, knowing you will punish them, if you also love them?
But exercising your free will independently of God's own desires will damn you to eternal conscious torment; therefore while such a God can be said to be omnipotent and omniscient, he can't be said to be loving or fundamentally good
Kind of like the "capitalism is voluntary association" argument. It's not voluntary if you are coerced
Edit: I'm sorry, I see you kind of got dogpiled here, that wasn't my intention
I think the idea of hell is completely irreconcilable with the concept of a loving God. Likewise the concept of sin itself is irreconcilable with the idea that God is omnipotent, omniscient, and fundamentally good. In order for him to have created a universe in which sin can exist he must not be at least one of those things
Technically hell is the absense of God, so inevitably it becomes as brutal and removed as possible
The Jewish idea of hell is the absence of God, most of the Christian idea of hell comes directly from Jesus and is explicitly a place of fire that you are cast into eternally
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You're right, I should have been more clear about that; comes directly from Jesus according to the new testament
Arguably Jesus was linked to a tradition within Judaism that went exist, what's left is not what existed 2000 years ago, and even what existed two thousand years ago was influenced by the zoroastrians and the greeks. (We can go into sheol vs gehenna, the talmudic hell etc later) Also i stan the book of enoch, homie.
Sorry, I should have clarified that it comes directly from Jesus as written in the new testament; with all the translation, curation, and political baggage that comes with that
One argument I've heard is that it's because God values free will
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It's just, why would you make beings that you know, with all specificity are going to do the things that you will punish them with the worst possible thing imaginable for and then let them do it, knowing you will punish them, if you also love them?
If you love em let em go, live laugh love
also the gays burn in perpetuity
Then he would create a situatiom in which people had it. Decisions made under duress do not count.
Going to church to avoid punishment is not a free choice.
But exercising your free will independently of God's own desires will damn you to eternal conscious torment; therefore while such a God can be said to be omnipotent and omniscient, he can't be said to be loving or fundamentally good
Kind of like the "capitalism is voluntary association" argument. It's not voluntary if you are coerced
Edit: I'm sorry, I see you kind of got dogpiled here, that wasn't my intention