I recuse myself from any epistemological claims about any super human entities controlling the universe, but Jesus has been wielded as as tool of the ruling class. When you use Jesus and behave exactly like the devil, the word Jesus is going to win out every time
I’m sure the same applies to every prophet ever. Again, claim what you want about a God, but that’s personally a question I’d worry about after dealing with how to allocate resources in what we know as the natural world.
Like, damn. Haven’t there been a lot of Jesuses throughout history? This seems almost too obvious to point out, but back in my edgy atheist era, I noticed how most people were just as focused on getting people to not believe in something as religious people are to convert people
Quick aside-I’m getting older and whatever and it seems like I’m noticing more stuff, and centrists are the equivalent of my stance on the non-physical world but for everything causing detriment to people in the real world. Silly billy stuff if you ask me
Again, claim what you want about a God, but that’s personally a question I’d worry about after dealing with how to allocate resources in what we know as the natural world.
The church would demand resources be allocated to it. I dont want to live in a post revolutionary society where our working class run state is paying to run churches, temples, the like... The church has so much material wealth, I dont see it working out, they're losing that land.
Probably misspoke lol could’ve said worry about what’s on the ground before thinking about what could be beyond the world if that makes sense.
But it’d never happen so the point is moot
living in the imperial core is bleak, but there's hope if you take an international view. I have to keep reminding myself this or I really give up, keep agitating, keep organising! ✊
Like, damn. Haven’t there been a lot of Jesuses throughout history?
I have thought the same myself at times, especially in the the leftist lens that I feel aligns most with what I regard as the historical Jesus- that of someone who spoke out against the rule of an imperial power in his own native land. How many like Jesus has America crucified in each country it has waged war in, or ruled through proxies like the Romans did with the Herodians in Judea? There must be countless and they mostly will remain unnamed.
And just like the Romans did, America too uses certain radical figures it's state neutralized to legitimize it's rule in the eyes of new citizenry, such as the reverence of an MLK shorn of his critique of "the Three Evils."
I think it’s super fascinating because it kinda works for the other side too. Like, someone with an entirely different moral perspective/political ideology could see “Jesus” in fucking Mussolini if you think about it. If a very broken and misguided person thought that his actions were “good” and thinks something like feeding the poor is a good thing in a vacuum, it’s not too much of a stretch imo.
Or maybe it is idk. But ideology certainly is a sublime object 😃
I can see people in history doing that but, it's so weird to me. Idk, maybe it was because I never really had much exposure to Christianity before I left it as an atheist. After that point I always looked at him in the terms a historical figure who's positions I don't entirely agree with. I have a bit of sympathy for the people like him who lived in a premodern world and tried to resist imperial oppression with whatever limited worldview they had.
makes sense. abolitionists and slavers both claimed the bible. the specific jesus-obsession wasn't as big of a thing at the time iirc.
