• americandeathdrive [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Rats proving that human social evolution has yet to even make any signficant gains in 12k years since we started this mess :rat-salute: maybe the rats deserve to inherit the earth then then the stars above.

    • mark213686123 [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      no humans are good like this by nature aswell which is why capitalism and it's perverse incentives are so bad

          • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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            3 years ago

            Getting tied to the land is a pretty exploitable material condition if you're willing to murder enough people, and it turns out that's a bit of a false vacuum situation.

            • ancom20 [none/use name]
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              3 years ago

              IMO, everything to do with the human experience started to go downhill when we transitioned to an agricultural society.

              • mark213686123 [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                I dunno the being able to have enough food to store away and have specialised labour is pretty neat

                • p_sharikov [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  Peasants were actually more food insecure than hunter gatherers. Hunter gatherers had a lower population and a diverse variety of food sources. Peasants on the other hand had a relatively poor diet, were vulnerable to disease, and would die en masse if a single important crop failed like 2 or 3 years in a row.

                  • ancom20 [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Also hunter gatherers had less gender inequality and less wealth inequality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_communism https://immortal.org/8977/sexual-equality-study/

          • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Idk... I don't know that I believe that we can avoid competition over things anymore tbh. Even with socialism, the interests of the proletariat is in dissolving the distinction between the worker & owner of productive property; and that's about as far as it goes. But that doesn't mean people get valued the same; not everybody gets to matter. And so that's wherein you'll find competition.

        • JuneFall [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          Having violent islanders with a violent elite aka terf-island be the first to harness modern military power of cannon boats etc. has something to do with it :ukkk:

          Though we also have good news, people can achieve cooperation over centuries as exemplified here: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpos.2022.805047/full

          The Foundation of Monte Albán, Intensification, and Growth: Coactive Processes and Joint Production

          One perspective, reliant on uniform models of premodern states as despotic, viewed the process from a basically top-down lens; leaders coerced subalterns to move near the capital to provide sustenance for the new center. Yet more recent research has found that governance at Monte Albán was generally more collective than autocratic, and productive activities were centered in domestic units and not managed from above.

          Based on these new empirical foundations, we reassess earlier settlement and land use studies for the Valley of Oaxaca and view this critical transition as initiated through coactive processes in which new institutions were formed and new relations forged. Shifts in defense, ritual, domestic organization, craft production, and exchange all coincided with this episode of growth fostered by joint production, which intensified agrarian yields through increased domestic labor investments.