It's sad that capitalists (and some anti-China marxists) still think this despite the fact that markets have existed in nearly all pre capitalist societies since the advent of agriculture. It's because they want to believe that capitalism is a "natural" outgrowth of markets being freed from the bonds of feudalism rather than a change in the social relations of laborers and property owners. also they just refuse to understand imperialism and capitalist encirclement, and that the transition from capitalism to communism in China is being managed by a ruling socialist party rather than simply being abolished overnight, which would destabilize and jeopardize the future of the entire chinese socialist project.
:very-smart: folks gotta read ellen meiksins "Origin of Capitalism"
I'm still a relatively baby socialist but when I got through Graeber's Debt and read the part where he said that markets and capitalism are actually not only not necessarily found together but are actually completely antithetical (as well as the parts about China historically that ring true to this day), I was like "huh, maybe I am a Dengist"
You claim they care about the future deaths of millions, but won't shutting down the cities produce a surge of poverty as bill collectors impoverish the unemployed who are then jettisoned out of their homes by rapacious landlords?
Oh, wait. Mr. Parenti is tapping me on the shoulder and waving a note.
The Megan McArdle tactic: if you think about it, if you lock down Chinese citizens in their homes, then this might actually decrease the mental and physical health of the people living there, and honestly who can say if the costs are worth that? Every action has far-reaching and unforeseen consequences and who are we to say that... uhhh... saving millions of lives from death and long-term disability... is, uh.... ah, shit.
Once again I am impressed at China's ability to deal with problems in a forward thinking manner to avoid the deaths of millions.
china once again proving that they arent capitalist to the naysayers. no capitalist would shut down major economic ports like this
capitalism is when you have markets and the more markets you have, the capitalister it is
It's sad that capitalists (and some anti-China marxists) still think this despite the fact that markets have existed in nearly all pre capitalist societies since the advent of agriculture. It's because they want to believe that capitalism is a "natural" outgrowth of markets being freed from the bonds of feudalism rather than a change in the social relations of laborers and property owners. also they just refuse to understand imperialism and capitalist encirclement, and that the transition from capitalism to communism in China is being managed by a ruling socialist party rather than simply being abolished overnight, which would destabilize and jeopardize the future of the entire chinese socialist project.
:very-smart: folks gotta read ellen meiksins "Origin of Capitalism"
I'm still a relatively baby socialist but when I got through Graeber's Debt and read the part where he said that markets and capitalism are actually not only not necessarily found together but are actually completely antithetical (as well as the parts about China historically that ring true to this day), I was like "huh, maybe I am a Dengist"
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You claim they care about the future deaths of millions, but won't shutting down the cities produce a surge of poverty as bill collectors impoverish the unemployed who are then jettisoned out of their homes by rapacious landlords?
Oh, wait. Mr. Parenti is tapping me on the shoulder and waving a note.
The Megan McArdle tactic: if you think about it, if you lock down Chinese citizens in their homes, then this might actually decrease the mental and physical health of the people living there, and honestly who can say if the costs are worth that? Every action has far-reaching and unforeseen consequences and who are we to say that... uhhh... saving millions of lives from death and long-term disability... is, uh.... ah, shit.