The Kremlin has pushed false claims that the U.S. is working with Ukraine on bioweapons labs, a narrative that QAnon has picked up and further distorted.
I kinda doubt it’s bioweapons. I think the idea of “bioweapons” is a bit over blown in the imaginations due to SciFi and shit. It always seemed dumb to me to sink so much funding into something so dangerous and unpredictable when you can just use bombs, that cheap thing we’ve mastered how to use.
The only real benefit of a bioweapon I see is you could use it to clandestinely weaken a population before going to war with them. But still that’s risky, expensive, and something you’d have to under under tight wraps less you risk infecting your own population.
More likely the US stupidly put a virology lab stupidly close to the border of a hostile nation for some stupid reason.
I've wanted to write something like this, but when I run it through my head it ends up pretty white-savioury. Or I could do literary blackface and invent a non-white protagonist to do it, but... yeah.
I'd definitely buy something like that if a native comrade wrote it.
More likely the US stupidly put a virology lab stupidly close to the border of a hostile nation for some stupid reason.
The lab has a record of existing, doesn't it? It may date back to an already established research center or something, maybe something started in the Yeltsin era or even something older from the USSR. Otherwise it was probably just the Ukrainian government siting it there for some reason or another (land costs, adapting existing facilities, graft, whatever) and the US only got involved afterwards, maybe just throwing money at them to get the research it produced.
I said this in another thread but I suspect that the US probably doesn't do explicit bioweapon research anymore after nuclear weapons sort of obviated the idea of carrying out genocide with plague bombs like Japan did in China, despite the US acquiring their research and doing live tests of it the Korean war. Instead I'd say they coopt otherwise innocuous research to source more-or-less-natural bioweapons for covert shit like the CIA's attacks on Cuban agriculture (something Cuba had accused them of for decades and which a few years ago declassified documents proved that they did in fact do).
I kinda doubt it’s bioweapons. I think the idea of “bioweapons” is a bit over blown in the imaginations due to SciFi and shit. It always seemed dumb to me to sink so much funding into something so dangerous and unpredictable when you can just use bombs, that cheap thing we’ve mastered how to use.
And yet the US has done it dozens of times before? There's little reason to doubt they'd do it again.
More likely the US stupidly put a virology lab stupidly close to the border of a hostile nation for some stupid reason.
The obvious answer is that there are geographical reasons for needing the lab to be there. The accusation Russia have made is that they were collecting slav DNA and they were researching a way to genetically target specific ethnicities. This makes sense in the context of creating a bioweapon to potentially attack russia with if they wished to.
This makes sense in the context of creating a bioweapon to potentially attack russia with if they wished to.
I mean, this also doesn’t make sense cuz that would be literally impossible to do.
Edit: also, yes the US has pulled shit like this in the past, but a lot of that was during the Cold War when I think the US was a lot more insecure in its power and so people felt the need to research goofy SciFi crap like using LSD as a truth serum and making microwave guns. Nowadays the US sorta has that shit down pat, they realized methods for breaking people that require just a dark room and a guy in a ski mask, no brain chips or LSD needed, and we can assassinate people from like a 100 miles away with a robot plane and a tiny bomb. Who needs untested wacko SciFi shit when you got focus tested board approved methods.
Which is what makes it an absolutely amazing military-industrial complex grift. Look at how much money they've poured into the dumpster fire that is the F-35; they'd happily piss away billions of dollars into a defense contractor startup that claims that it is going to pull Theranos-level bullshit, physical impossibilities be damned.
I feel like the grift is easier to hide in a complex engineer project involving 100s of companies than it is in a project who’s base premise is so fallacious anyone with a biology degree could tell you it’s BS.
I kinda doubt it’s bioweapons. I think the idea of “bioweapons” is a bit over blown in the imaginations due to SciFi and shit. It always seemed dumb to me to sink so much funding into something so dangerous and unpredictable when you can just use bombs, that cheap thing we’ve mastered how to use.
The only real benefit of a bioweapon I see is you could use it to clandestinely weaken a population before going to war with them. But still that’s risky, expensive, and something you’d have to under under tight wraps less you risk infecting your own population.
More likely the US stupidly put a virology lab stupidly close to the border of a hostile nation for some stupid reason.
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The American coyote trying to catch the Chinese road runner with a comically large box of Acme brand bioweapons.
The most successful imperialist campaign was won through the use of bioweapons, I wouldn't put it past them.
I'm big dumb, what are you talking about? Smallpox?
Yes, you're not dumb at all.
Okay but did drones and nukes exist back then?
Actual good idea for an alt history novel: someone goes back in time to arm Native Americans with Predator drones.
I've wanted to write something like this, but when I run it through my head it ends up pretty white-savioury. Or I could do literary blackface and invent a non-white protagonist to do it, but... yeah.
I'd definitely buy something like that if a native comrade wrote it.
The lab has a record of existing, doesn't it? It may date back to an already established research center or something, maybe something started in the Yeltsin era or even something older from the USSR. Otherwise it was probably just the Ukrainian government siting it there for some reason or another (land costs, adapting existing facilities, graft, whatever) and the US only got involved afterwards, maybe just throwing money at them to get the research it produced.
I said this in another thread but I suspect that the US probably doesn't do explicit bioweapon research anymore after nuclear weapons sort of obviated the idea of carrying out genocide with plague bombs like Japan did in China, despite the US acquiring their research and doing live tests of it the Korean war. Instead I'd say they coopt otherwise innocuous research to source more-or-less-natural bioweapons for covert shit like the CIA's attacks on Cuban agriculture (something Cuba had accused them of for decades and which a few years ago declassified documents proved that they did in fact do).
And yet the US has done it dozens of times before? There's little reason to doubt they'd do it again.
The obvious answer is that there are geographical reasons for needing the lab to be there. The accusation Russia have made is that they were collecting slav DNA and they were researching a way to genetically target specific ethnicities. This makes sense in the context of creating a bioweapon to potentially attack russia with if they wished to.
I mean, this also doesn’t make sense cuz that would be literally impossible to do.
Edit: also, yes the US has pulled shit like this in the past, but a lot of that was during the Cold War when I think the US was a lot more insecure in its power and so people felt the need to research goofy SciFi crap like using LSD as a truth serum and making microwave guns. Nowadays the US sorta has that shit down pat, they realized methods for breaking people that require just a dark room and a guy in a ski mask, no brain chips or LSD needed, and we can assassinate people from like a 100 miles away with a robot plane and a tiny bomb. Who needs untested wacko SciFi shit when you got focus tested board approved methods.
Which is what makes it an absolutely amazing military-industrial complex grift. Look at how much money they've poured into the dumpster fire that is the F-35; they'd happily piss away billions of dollars into a defense contractor startup that claims that it is going to pull Theranos-level bullshit, physical impossibilities be damned.
I feel like the grift is easier to hide in a complex engineer project involving 100s of companies than it is in a project who’s base premise is so fallacious anyone with a biology degree could tell you it’s BS.