• Mardoniush [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    The Pope thing was "the big fight" at the time between the Guelphs and Ghibellines. Papal States were independent from 1177.

    • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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      3 years ago

      i'd put 'Holy Roman' caesaropapism dead in the cradle with Otto III at the latest but maybe a Hohenstaufen got a bit wacky with it idk