• Vncredleader [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Versailles was too harsh though. WW1 was not Germany's fault, The Bolsheviks are pretty explicit about no annexations or indemnities. I'm reading about that stuff thanks to a soviet textbook another thread brought to my attention funnily enough. From 1935

    New Russia wanted peace, certainly the Soviets wanted peace, and the latter, on March 27, 1917, issued their historic 14 Address to all Peoples of the World ” declaring that the war was an Imperialist war, that the working classes every¬ where should agitate for an immediate peace, and that the peace treaties should be based on the principles of no an¬ nexations and no indemnities. It is more than probable that the members of the Coalition Government and its successors, when trying to negotiate a settlement of post-war problems with the German and French Governments and the satellites of the latter in Eastern Europe have often cursed their own short-sightedness at not having seized the Russian proposal as a means of bringing the war to a conclusion in April 1917*

    from the 2nd Congress report on peace

    The workers' and peasants' government, created by the Revolution of October 24-25 and basing itself on the support of the Soviets of Workers', Soldiers', and Peasants' Deputies, must start immediate negotiations for peace. Our appeal must be addressed both to the governments and to the peoples. We cannot ignore the governments, for that would delay the possibility of concluding peace, and the people's government dare not do that; but we have no right not to appeal to the peoples at the same time. Everywhere there are differences between the governments and the peoples, and we must therefore help the peoples to intervene in questions of war and peace. We will, of course, insist upon the whole of our programme for a peace without annexations and indemnities. We shall not retreat from it; but we must not give our enemies an opportunity to say that their conditions are different from ours and that therefore it is useless to start negotiations with us. No, we must deprive them of that advantageous position and not present our terms in the form of an ultimatum. Therefore the point is included that we are willing to consider any peace terms and all proposals. We shall consider them, but that does not necessarily mean that we shall accept them. We shall submit them for consideration to the Constituent Assembly which will have the power to decide what concessions can and what cannot be made. We are combating the deception practised by governments which pay lip-service to peace and justice, but in fact wage annexationist and predatory wars. No government will say all it thinks. We, however, are opposed to secret diplomacy and will act openly in full view of the whole people. We do not close our eyes to difficulties and never have done so. War cannot be ended by refusal, it cannot be ended by one side. We are proposing an armistice for three months, but shall not reject a shorter period, so that the exhausted army may breathe freely, even if only for a little while; moreover, in all the civilised countries national assemblies must be summoned for the discussion of the terms.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/oct/25-26/26b.htm

    Germany ended up this unforgivable, in no small part because Versailles made it clear that you cannot lose or call for peace in an imperial war without being ravaged and desecrated. Lenin was one of the biggest advocates of the idea that Versailles was a criminal imperialist act ensuring another war