This applies to anything that even smacks of celebrity. Actors, musicians, performers of all kinds have to deal with this. The difference with streamers is that there's more immediate access so instead of dealing with big scary things like stalkers they're dealing with smaller, more immediate problems of people who can't deal with parasocial relationships.
Twitch streamers also have to deal with stalkers, the immediate access arguably makes them even more vulnerable to stalkers if not in a directly physical sense.
Mental health struggles are not trivial, and as someone who has been affected and has affected others in the past with trauma dumping, that shit isnt fucking trivial either in how it affects someone whos potentially already stressed and struggling, not cool to dismiss that.
You literally said that stalking is a "real problem" in contrast to trauma dumping, fuck off dude and dont dismiss mental health problems to win debate points.
fuck off dude and dont dismiss mental health problems to win debate points.
Both are real problems, one might be more intense but its also more rare in comparison, while having viewers dump trauma and stressing you out is something that can happen way more often and compound into significant stress and affect someones mental health.
i do not undersatnd how you think mental health struggles are not trivial but thn you blame the people who 'trauma dump'. do you think those who spill their guts online are privileged normies? if you bypass the natural inclination to not make people uncomfortable you are either not aware of it being able to make people uncomfortable or are too desperate to care. either way. the people hearing the dumping in these streams are almost always going to be in a better place than the person doing it.
it angers me that the article mentioned the pet picture because deleting a sick pet makes sense, because people dont need to shrae traumatizing pictures to vent. but otherwise i dont get how stigmatizing 'trauma dumping' is anything except stigmatizing the existence of the mentally ill and suffering, and expecting them to pretend they aren't suffering.
this shouldnt be an issue at all. only people with no friends would pour their heart out to streamesr. we need to get these people friends. not attack them
Strong disagree. There are scads of magazines, blogs, videos, interviews, and all kinds of other media that are designed to create a sense of closeness and intimacy with celebrities. IDK if it's still a thing but when I was a kid kids would have their whole room covered in pictures of their favorite pop stars. "Parasocial relationship" is a new term for me, but it describes the process of creating "Celebrity" That's been ongoing for decades. Hell, look at the "Free Britney" campaign as an example of millions of people who feel an entirely one-way relationship with a celebrity. This stuff is much older than Twitch. It may be manifesting in new ways with important differences, but twitch streamers aren't the first set of performers that people intensely fixate on.
It's weird and annoying how the internet keeps creating these really ambiguous spaces like this.
Twitter is just a mosh pit of different use-cases. Some people use it for news, others to push their own personal brand, others just to hang out and make jokes, others for political organizing. I guess Twitch is similar in that it's just like a "space" that they want to profit off for various uses. And streamers can't really pick and choose how they want to stream on Twitch on their own terms so they're forced to use what little influence they have by creating like these little rules and personal enforcements.
It reminds me of seeing someone on Art Twitter spitting out these rules about what people who retweet art should or shouldn't do, and it's just like they've turned actual social conventions and moral/power relations into barely enforceable posting etiquette because website gave up any personal responsibility to posters and algorithms. Like, I get someone small time video game streamer just wants to hang out but Twitch wants to commodify the entire gamut of human relations instead so they're forced to basically do shit like this, but there are also streamers who do actively cultivate cult-like situations like these to profit from and they just don't want the potential downsides from it.
So it's this blend of blame from the platforms and to the influencers. Just keeps getting filtered down to the bottom rung where people are screamed at for not reading the community wiki before posting because it's the only means of control they have left.
its a simply issue of punching down instead of up. streamers are almost always not litreally but almost probably better positioned then some random worker with no friends nor family they can reach out to. they can afford a therapist and time to make friends and confidants. many cant
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This applies to anything that even smacks of celebrity. Actors, musicians, performers of all kinds have to deal with this. The difference with streamers is that there's more immediate access so instead of dealing with big scary things like stalkers they're dealing with smaller, more immediate problems of people who can't deal with parasocial relationships.
Twitch streamers also have to deal with stalkers, the immediate access arguably makes them even more vulnerable to stalkers if not in a directly physical sense.
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Mental health struggles are not trivial, and as someone who has been affected and has affected others in the past with trauma dumping, that shit isnt fucking trivial either in how it affects someone whos potentially already stressed and struggling, not cool to dismiss that.
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You literally said that stalking is a "real problem" in contrast to trauma dumping, fuck off dude and dont dismiss mental health problems to win debate points.
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Both are real problems, one might be more intense but its also more rare in comparison, while having viewers dump trauma and stressing you out is something that can happen way more often and compound into significant stress and affect someones mental health.
i do not undersatnd how you think mental health struggles are not trivial but thn you blame the people who 'trauma dump'. do you think those who spill their guts online are privileged normies? if you bypass the natural inclination to not make people uncomfortable you are either not aware of it being able to make people uncomfortable or are too desperate to care. either way. the people hearing the dumping in these streams are almost always going to be in a better place than the person doing it.
it angers me that the article mentioned the pet picture because deleting a sick pet makes sense, because people dont need to shrae traumatizing pictures to vent. but otherwise i dont get how stigmatizing 'trauma dumping' is anything except stigmatizing the existence of the mentally ill and suffering, and expecting them to pretend they aren't suffering.
this shouldnt be an issue at all. only people with no friends would pour their heart out to streamesr. we need to get these people friends. not attack them
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Strong disagree. There are scads of magazines, blogs, videos, interviews, and all kinds of other media that are designed to create a sense of closeness and intimacy with celebrities. IDK if it's still a thing but when I was a kid kids would have their whole room covered in pictures of their favorite pop stars. "Parasocial relationship" is a new term for me, but it describes the process of creating "Celebrity" That's been ongoing for decades. Hell, look at the "Free Britney" campaign as an example of millions of people who feel an entirely one-way relationship with a celebrity. This stuff is much older than Twitch. It may be manifesting in new ways with important differences, but twitch streamers aren't the first set of performers that people intensely fixate on.
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Danny Brown getting sucked on stage by some random girl :sadness-abysmal:
It's weird and annoying how the internet keeps creating these really ambiguous spaces like this.
Twitter is just a mosh pit of different use-cases. Some people use it for news, others to push their own personal brand, others just to hang out and make jokes, others for political organizing. I guess Twitch is similar in that it's just like a "space" that they want to profit off for various uses. And streamers can't really pick and choose how they want to stream on Twitch on their own terms so they're forced to use what little influence they have by creating like these little rules and personal enforcements.
It reminds me of seeing someone on Art Twitter spitting out these rules about what people who retweet art should or shouldn't do, and it's just like they've turned actual social conventions and moral/power relations into barely enforceable posting etiquette because website gave up any personal responsibility to posters and algorithms. Like, I get someone small time video game streamer just wants to hang out but Twitch wants to commodify the entire gamut of human relations instead so they're forced to basically do shit like this, but there are also streamers who do actively cultivate cult-like situations like these to profit from and they just don't want the potential downsides from it.
So it's this blend of blame from the platforms and to the influencers. Just keeps getting filtered down to the bottom rung where people are screamed at for not reading the community wiki before posting because it's the only means of control they have left.
its a simply issue of punching down instead of up. streamers are almost always not litreally but almost probably better positioned then some random worker with no friends nor family they can reach out to. they can afford a therapist and time to make friends and confidants. many cant